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Ruler said:

so gamespot is saying its a console thing? Despite the fact that the PC and Consoles pretty much share all the AAA games now. If the console versions are delayed so is the PC version. So why not just calling it where are all the great games? Why just bashing consoles instead gaming in general in their title?


I'm pretty sure the Gamespot guy already knew this but because PC gaming is dying again and has less exclusives and attention that there was no obvious need to mention them.

What do you earn by bashing gaming anyway?, you throw all your stones and you hit nothing because you're hitting no targets, not ones that would pay attention to you anyway.



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ReimTime said:
JWeinCom said:
Gamers sent a message loud and clear that they're willing to buy a console without great games, and pay money for uprezzed versions of old games. The market gets what the market wants.


I'd argue that the real problem is pre-ordering, which sends the message that gamers are willing to pay for something that isn't even finished yet. Devs can get lazy and release content that should have been included down the line via DLC, and releasing broken games because their pre-orders tell them that they will sell well anyway.

"Oh don't worry, we'll fix all of those glitches and add in a satisfying ending in 6 months in our 5 GB patch! Only 19.99."

FFS, it's not like stores are always short on stock on launch day in this day and age. And I mean who the fack cares that you get a new special edition hat for your character if you pre-order? And then after someone gets burnt once by pre-ordering from a certain company, they pre-order the next game and get fucked again. I only advocate pre-ordering when: you are importing a game, the game is in short supply (see: Atlus), you want a collectors edition, or you know damn well the product will be whole and working on arrival (see: Nintendo). Maybe there would be "great console games" if they weren't half baked on release.


I would say those are both part off the same problem.  People buy things based solely on hype and brand loyalty. 



Chazore said:

I'm pretty sure the Gamespot guy already knew this but because PC gaming is dying again and has less exclusives and attention that there was no obvious need to mention them.

Why do PC games have to be exclusive when the PC version of multiplatform games (almost every third party game finds its way to PC sooner or later) is the best version in most cases?

Oh, and I'm having much fun with Dreamfall Chapters, République Remastered, The Book of Unwritten Tales 2, Deponia: The Complete Journey, The Vanishing of Ethan Carter and The Talos Principle these last weeks. Wasteland 2, Cities: Skylines, Civilization: Beyond Earth, Elite: Dangerous, Shadowrun: Dragonfall D.C. and Divinity:Original Sin also doesn't seem to be so bad (haven't played them yet) and I love the shown progress in Star Citizen.

In a few weeks I can finally play Armikrog and Pillars of Eternity, in a few months Asylum, Silence: The Whispered World 2 & The Devil's Men.

So how long would I have to wait for these games to be released on consoles?



Mike_L said:
Riverstyx said:
On the handhelds mostly.

On home consoles mostly.

 

Released, good games:


Bayonetta 2
Dead Rising 3
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
Driveclub
Dying Light
Evolve
inFamous: Second Son
Killer Instinct
Killzone: Shadow Fall
Mario Kart 8
New Super Mario Bros. U
Ori and the Blind Forest
Pikmin 3
Resogun
Shovel Knight
Sunset Overdrive
Super Mario 3D World
Super Smash Bros. U

The Wonderful 101
Transisto

When you take out crossgen titles, the list gets a lot smaller.  And I'd argue that not all of those games are "great".  Personally, I only think the bolded ones meet that standard.

The reason crossgen titles don't count is because in general, there is absolutely no difference in crossgen titles besides resolution and some special effects, which many people don't find worth 400 dollars.

Before, new consoles meant new experiences you simply couldn't have on older systems.  You couldn't play Wii Sports without the Wii's controls.  Dead Rising simply produced too many characters for the XBox to hold (see the Wii version).  FZero wouldn't be playble on the NES, except in a severely compromised form.  Final Fantasy 7 was too large for disc based systems.  Sonic the Hedgehog would have been terrible on the Master System (and it was).  Shenmue was far too large for the Saturn to handle.

New consoles should mean new experiences.  The whole point is to play something you couldn't have on an older system.  Going from the PS1 to PS2 was like going from a Nokia flip phone to a Droid.  Going from the PS3 to the PS4 is like going from an iPhone 5 to an iPhone 5s.



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Lawlight said:
Nem said:


Not a single one of those is a next-gen game. I think the point here is that we are missing next-gen games. Cross-gen and remasters are still aplenty.


So, the problem is that the previous generation consoles are still powerful enough to handle current gen games?


The problem is that if those games are running on both systems, that means one of two things.

a) Developers are holding back to make their games playable on older hardware and are not making the most of their resources. 

or

b) The hardware isn't advanced enough to offer truly unique experiences.



As has been said already, on the Wii U. For some that say tha they haven't found anything interesting on it, expand your horizons and be willing to try new things. There a quite a few games that have been trying something new with it, but many are still being ignored. It can be hard to not allow the annual franchises to become mundane. If none of this is appealing, then maybe a break from gaming for a while till the spark comes back.



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JWeinCom said:
Lawlight said:


So, the problem is that the previous generation consoles are still powerful enough to handle current gen games?


The problem is that if those games are running on both systems, that means one of two things.

a) Developers are holding back to make their games playable on older hardware and are not making the most of their resources. 

or

b) The hardware isn't advanced enough to offer truly unique experiences.

Or

c) The previous gen versions are downgraded to make it work on those older systems.

I mean seriously - what might have been held back in those games?



JWeinCom said:
Mike_L said:
Riverstyx said:
On the handhelds mostly.

1. When you take out crossgen titles, the list gets a lot smaller.  And I'd argue that not all of those games are "great".  Personally, I only think the bolded ones meet that standard.

2. The reason crossgen titles don't count is because in general, there is absolutely no difference in crossgen titles besides resolution and some special effects, which many people don't find worth 400 dollars.

3. Before, new consoles meant new experiences you simply couldn't have on older systems.  You couldn't play Wii Sports without the Wii's controls.  Dead Rising simply produced too many characters for the XBox to hold (see the Wii version).  FZero wouldn't be playble on the NES, except in a severely compromised form.  Final Fantasy 7 was too large for disc based systems.  Sonic the Hedgehog would have been terrible on the Master System (and it was).  Shenmue was far too large for the Saturn to handle.

4. New consoles should mean new experiences.  The whole point is to play something you couldn't have on an older system.  Going from the PS1 to PS2 was like going from a Nokia flip phone to a Droid.  Going from the PS3 to the PS4 is like going from an iPhone 5 to an iPhone 5s.

1. I'm confused. Your premise as to whether new gen games can be labelled as great seems to be whether they can run on last gen hardware only with lower resolution, less fps and poorer graphics. So out of the 53 released games that I listed you only think Bayonetta 2, Super Mario 3D World, Super Smash Bros. U and The Wonderful 101 qualify as great games. Please tell me you realise how subjective that claim is. Why exactly these 4 games? Why don't you think these 4 games can run on last gen hardware in some form?

2. Why do people even buy a new console if they don't think it's worth its price yet. Excuse me but I think that's really stupid. And why do they feel the need to complain all the time instead of just wait buying until there are more unique games available and let other people enjoy gaming. I never understood some people's need to shove their own opinion down other people's throat.

3. I don't see why a gimmick like the Wii mote should decide whether a new gen game can be great or not. I simply don't agree. If people enjoy e.g. Shadow of Mordor on their PS4 I don't think you can dictate that it isn't a great game experience just because it runs on last gen consoles as well and doesn't need a new controller gimmick. Besides the DS4 really adds to the experience in many games in a way that DS3 can't.

4. I've already had moments where I really felt the unique experiences new gen consoles can offer and I can reassure you more of these new experiences unique to new gen consoles will come down the road. Resistance: Fall of Man wasn't that giant leap over the PS2 compared with later PS3 and Xbox 360 games. If you ever expected going from PS3 to PS4 would be as big as going from PS1 to PS2 I think you were quite naive. Consoles sell because of their low price and great accessibility. You can't expect a PS1 to PS2 like evolution from a $399 console. Maybe consoles just aren't your thing..