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Skullwaker said:
Kerotan said:
Rock band was a lot bigger on ps2, 360, And ps3.  The ratio is not the same as just dance.  

Dude, we're on a sales site and you didn't even bother to look it up. C'mon.

1 Rock Band X360 N/A Misc Electronic Arts 1.91 0.33 0.00 0.21 2.45
2 Rock Band 2 X360 2008 Misc Electronic Arts 1.76 0.23 0.00 0.18 2.18
3 Rock Band Wii N/A Misc MTV Games 1.32 0.55 0.00 0.20 2.07
4 The Beatles: Rock Band Wii 2009 Misc MTV Games 1.17 0.39 0.00 0.15 1.71
5 Rock Band PS3 N/A Misc Electronic Arts 0.97 0.41 0.00 0.21 1.59


These numbers are estimates, they could be horribly wrong.

What we do know is this: They had a recent survey where almost 70,000 people voted. If the majority voted for Playstation and Xbox you can't really fault them for not bringing it to Wii U, because the interest they've seen from Nintendo fans voting was just too low.

Here's the poll
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/7Z2SHPN



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All Nintendo should do is make a game called "Mario: World Tour" and have Mario characters play licensed music. Same game as Rock Band but with Mario Characters. The Nintendo crowd would eat it up!



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Doesn't surprise me. What non-Nintendo developed(published) game has been relatively successful on the Wii U? Even highly acclaimed games like Bayonetta 2 have not been super smash hits. It might just not be worth the effort on the developers side.



Materia-Blade said:

I find it amazing how third parties these days are unprofessional enough to skip wii u AND offend the fanbase with lies like this. There are times when keeping quiet is better than saying any random BS and this was one of those times for them.

Not unprofessional at all! After all, what came first: 3rd party devs ignoring Nintendo? Or Nintendo fans pretty much only buying 1st party Nintendo games on Nintendo consoles? Mad World, Beyonetta, etc. All suffer due to the old adage we all hear from Nintendo fans: "Nintendo had the best 1st party so why should i care about 3rd party?" The devs have heard loud & clear.



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Mummelmann said:
I think they're in for a surprise if they think Rock Band 4 will do very well on PS4 and One; fringe customers are gone from home consoles, there is no sense chasing this demographic in this sphere any longer and they'd be better of making games for mobile devices.


I think you'll be in for a surprise of how well this title is going to do, the series was popular with everyone, not just casuals, it's not a game like Just Dance whose main audience are non-gamers. Also it's been a long time since the last rythm games came out (5 years) so the fatigue people had of too many music games coming out is gone.



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Guitarguy said:
Doesn't surprise me. What non-Nintendo developed(published) game has been relatively successful on the Wii U? Even highly acclaimed games like Bayonetta 2 have not been super smash hits. It might just not be worth the effort on the developers side.

Finally someone who gets it. Even perennial million sellers like FIFA and Madden don't sell on Nintendo consoles. Putting those games on WiiU would be a waste of time and money.



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Mummelmann said:

That's why I call them fringe and not casual customers, these are the inbetween customers that buy more games than casuals but less than hardcore, the ones who buy simpler fare from time to time to get a break from bigger games and perhaps have fun with friends. The ones who got hooked on wordfeud and similar, competitive games like Quiz Battle on mobile devices, all the while still buying every odd console or PC game as well, and the same that made up the chunk of the user base for games like Buzz, Singstar and Rock Band. Of course, the majority of Quiz Battle and wordfeud gamers don't care much for regular games. Look at Nintendo's Brain Training games for another good example of how these customers have changed habbits.

Fringe customers are neither here nor there but there are better, not to mention a whole lot cheaper, alternatives now on mobile devices and perceived value rules the day. It's not like Rock Band is cheap with all the instruments anyway. This is also why Wii Fit U was a horrible idea despite the success of the first two games; there are now better and miles cheaper alternatives on mobile devices. This is probably the biggest indicator we have right now of what these customers are doing, while Wii Fit and Wii Fit Plus had well over 20% attach rate; Wii Fit U has slightly more than 5% at this point, this figure will shrink as the lifetime sales of the console increase (likely ending up around 2.5-3% when all is said and done).

Developers are still dealing with how they go about catering to a splintered market and these changes are still fairly recent. Expect a lot of games to fall on their asses before things change much.

I could be wrong, who knows? I guess the sales of Rock Band 4 will tell at any rate.

I'm not saying that you're wrong but simply that the waters haven't been tested thus far on PS4/X1 (like they have for Wii U and its casual/non gamer audience). We have evidence that the blue ocean demographic or casual gamers have put down their wii motes but not that the fringe gamers are no longer active. I always presumed they're partially what allows FIfa, Assassins Creed and COD to sell rediculous amounts each year, they're the type that might pick whatever the next hype thing is without knowing too much about it (Destiny, maybe Star Wars BF3 this year) . All we know of the PS4/X1 is that their hardware sales are really healthy and software sales  even more so. Thats bodes well for the range of audience they're capturing, now everything arriving this year is next gen exclusive and prices are about to fall again the chances are even higher that these fringe consumers will be here in large enough numbers by years end.



Skullwaker said:
Kerotan said:
Rock band was a lot bigger on ps2, 360, And ps3.  The ratio is not the same as just dance.  

Dude, we're on a sales site and you didn't even bother to look it up. C'mon.

1 Rock Band X360 N/A Misc Electronic Arts 1.91 0.33 0.00 0.21 2.45
2 Rock Band 2 X360 2008 Misc Electronic Arts 1.76 0.23 0.00 0.18 2.18
3 Rock Band Wii N/A Misc MTV Games 1.32 0.55 0.00 0.20 2.07
4 The Beatles: Rock Band Wii 2009 Misc MTV Games 1.17 0.39 0.00 0.15 1.71
5 Rock Band PS3 N/A Misc Electronic Arts 0.97 0.41 0.00 0.21 1.59


PS4 is the new 360, 
Xbox One is the new PS3
but Wii U doesn't have an equivalent on that graph. Its definitely not the new wii.



FentonCrackshell said:
Materia-Blade said:

I find it amazing how third parties these days are unprofessional enough to skip wii u AND offend the fanbase with lies like this. There are times when keeping quiet is better than saying any random BS and this was one of those times for them.

Not unprofessional at all! After all, what came first: 3rd party devs ignoring Nintendo? Or Nintendo fans pretty much only buying 1st party Nintendo games on Nintendo consoles? Mad World, Beyonetta, etc. All suffer due to the old adage we all hear from Nintendo fans: "Nintendo had the best 1st party so why should i care about 3rd party?" The devs have heard loud & clear.

The former happened first and the later never happened.



FentonCrackshell said:
Guitarguy said:
Doesn't surprise me. What non-Nintendo developed(published) game has been relatively successful on the Wii U? Even highly acclaimed games like Bayonetta 2 have not been super smash hits. It might just not be worth the effort on the developers side.

Finally someone who gets it. Even perennial million sellers like FIFA and Madden don't sell on Nintendo consoles. Putting those games on WiiU would be a waste of time and money.

Can't believe you're using two games sent to die by EA as a comparison.