Username2324 said: A 20GB laptop drive costs virtually nothing, so if your $40 guesstimate is correct (highly unlikely), that'd drive production costs up $40, and would either eliminate the possibility of a price cut, or put Microsoft in the red once again. There's simply no need for the Elite to have a 250GB harddrive, I can't even fill up the 160GB drive I put in my PS3. No matter how much you want it to happen, it won't. Any harddrive increase on the 360 would be the Premium from 20GB to 60GB because that wouldn't cost hardly anything for MS. Just deal with it.

But the PS3 doesn't have what you would call a sophisticated film, game, telelvision and features download system does it?

The 360 does and you need space if you plan to take advantage of those things. 

gebx said: Username2324 said: A 20GB laptop drive costs virtually nothing, so if your $40 guesstimate is correct (highly unlikely), that'd drive production costs up $40, and would either eliminate the possibility of a price cut, or put Microsoft in the red once again. There's simply no need for the Elite to have a 250GB harddrive, I can't even fill up the 160GB drive I put in my PS3. No matter how much you want it to happen, it won't. Any harddrive increase on the 360 would be the Premium from 20GB to 60GB because that wouldn't cost hardly anything for MS. Just deal with it. Theirs a little bit more content available on Xbox Live then on the PSN... <-- understatement

ROFL! Check-mate...

In any case, I'd totally be with your prediction gebx... if they weren't laptop drives. I am having doubts that microsoft could spare a huge laptop drive like that and still offer us a price cut.

So I'm guessing 80GB for premium and 160 for Ellite...

gebx said: Username2324 said: A 20GB laptop drive costs virtually nothing, so if your $40 guesstimate is correct (highly unlikely), that'd drive production costs up $40, and would either eliminate the possibility of a price cut, or put Microsoft in the red once again. There's simply no need for the Elite to have a 250GB harddrive, I can't even fill up the 160GB drive I put in my PS3. No matter how much you want it to happen, it won't. Any harddrive increase on the 360 would be the Premium from 20GB to 60GB because that wouldn't cost hardly anything for MS. Just deal with it. Really? could you tell me where i can pick up a 20gig HDD for virtually nothing? That would be great! For someone who keeps claiming he knows everything, who do seems kind of short on the business side of things. You do realize that manufacturing plants still pay the same wages, utilities, shipping, and all basic costs no matter what size HDD they create right??   If MS wants to push the digital download service then they're going to have to offer more then 60gigs to its customers. I don't see why they would spend all this energy and money on such a small upgrade that will have to be done all over again in two years to stay competitive.

Do you realize that these companies have to make money back from all of the money, time and research they invest into creating these technologies? Do you realize creating a 20GB harddrive is different from creating a 60GB? They require different manufacturing lines, different technologies to create.

Have I ever claimed to know everything? No, it may seem that way to you since you know nothing.

Listen, Microsoft has already lost a ton of money on hardware as it is, they are not about to go back to losing money on hardware again.

If Microsoft wanted to push the digital download service they wouldn't offer a console with no harddrive, now would they? Use your freakin' head moron.

 

Username2324 said: Do you realize that these companies have to make money back from all of the money, time and research they invest into creating these technologies? Do you realize creating a 20GB harddrive is different from creating a 60GB? They require different manufacturing lines, different technologies to create. Have I ever claimed to know everything? No, it may seem that way to you since you know nothing. Listen, Microsoft has already lost a ton of money on hardware as it is, they are not about to go back to losing money on hardware again. If Microsoft wanted to push the digital download service they wouldn't offer a console with no harddrive, now would they? Use your freakin' head moron.

Microsoft buys their HDD's.  All they have to do is put out a tender to supply 60gb laptop HDD's with a custom plastic job.  That simple.  Doesn't cost them a thing.

I'm talking about the companies they buy the harddrives from.

Username2324 said: I'm talking about the companies they buy the harddrives from.

What? Do you think that Microsoft is going to volunteer to fund the change over of their production lines? PFFT!!!!

IF they ask for that Microsoft will just be like "see ya later, alligator." Then they'll take their pick from the two dozen or so companies that would love to supply them.

What do you think, the supplier of their 20GB is going to offer 500GB at no extra cost? Use your head.

Username2324 said: What do you think, the supplier of their 20GB is going to offer 500GB at no extra cost? Use your head.

Ahh, where did I say anything like that?  You were talking about the costs of changing over supply lines.

Of course, when you lost that argument, you tried to change the subject to cover it:)

There is no need to do things like that.  I just wanted to inform you of the way these things work, I wasn't planning on teasing you when you realized you were wrong or anything.

Chin up, buddy. 

I think you misunderstood was I was saying then, I was trying to point out that making a 20GB and a 60GB laptop drive is different, and therefore more costly, just like making a 120GB lapotop drive requires different technology and in turn costs more.

My point was it would cost Microsoft much more money to switch from buying 20GB to 120GB, and would either eliminate the price drop, or drive Microsoft into the red once again.

starcraft said: Username2324 said: What do you think, the supplier of their 20GB is going to offer 500GB at no extra cost? Use your head. Ahh, where did I say anything like that?  You were talking about the costs of changing over supply lines. Of course, when you lost that argument, you tried to change the subject to cover it:) There is no need to do things like that.  I just wanted to inform you of the way these things work, I wasn't planning on teasing you when you realized you were wrong or anything. Chin up, buddy.

I don't see how he lost the arguement.  MS can't afford more SC issues.  Suppliers would know this and demand costs for reconfiguration.  If MS said 'see you later' they'd say fine, good luck with supply while we shut down and getting a completely new facility up is going to cost you 2 months of time.

As for the drive size both PS3 / 360 will store plenty.  In fact technically 360 is more set up to stream than store - PS3 has better spec for actual media hub than 360.  MS do need more storage but by mucking around with the HDD attachment rather than a simple standard bay like PS3 they've actually put themselves in worse position IMHO.

PS3 is much easier to upgrade drive as you can buy yourself from multiple soures and easily swap in/out.