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Wow. Just wow. The rampant ignorance in this thread is breath-taking. I'm getting the hell out of here before I go crazy.

Creationists still exist? Really? I thought we were past this sort of silliness.




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rocketpig said:
Wow. Just wow. The rampant ignorance in this thread is breath-taking. I'm getting the hell out of here before I go crazy.

Creationists still exist? Really? I thought we were past this sort of silliness.
Someone not knowing creationist still exist and knowing that some have a very sound mind is a statement of ignorance itself, is it not?

 



What I find the most amusing between Darwinists and Creationists (and Im a creationist btw) is that many Darwinists get hell bent over proving the Creationists wrong. They are beliefs, we all have different ones, yet why argue over something like this, you wont change anyone's mind.

One really funny thing to me is beliefs in the afterlife of the two. Lets say you are a Darwinist, what will happen when you die? Nothing. Now a creationist, you go to heaven or hell. What a battle. I really see the only motivation for Darwinists to prove themselves correct because they dont want anyone else having hope in continuation after this world.

Whats the worst that can happen anyway? If I die, and I am wrong, I die like everyone else. Yet if I am right, I will go to heaven while the darwinist will go to hell. The irony is suffocating.



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@Bursche.

So you don't seek the truth but rather believe in what you do merely because you think it might give you a chance of having a better afterlife.
I'd rather try to find the truth thanks.



kazadoom said:
GotchayeA said:
But what would distinguish these intermediary species? They'd simply appear to be yet another subspecies. And, in fact, it's my understanding that we have found groups of animals that could breed with another group, which could breed with another group, which could not breed with the first group.

If your question is why we don't see a clear continuum of living species, then the answer is, again, natural selection. There isn't a continuum of environments, and the specialized species on either end are going to be more suitable for one sort of environment or another than the species in the middle. Evolution is supposed to be a very slow process - there's plenty of time for intermediary species to be reabsorbed.

If this is true, then what happened from water to land, they just developed lungs over time, then flopped around on the ground until legs appeared over time? What did birds do when only one wing developed, wait around on the other one flopping around until they got what they needed? This is utter stupidity. If it is a slow process then show me something now that is changing from one species to another. There ought to be some proof of something out there. Where are all these mysterious transitional forms?


Oy. I can't resist. This is crazy talk.

Evolution does not happen slowly, it actually happens quite rapidly. There are a myriad of factors in the evolution of a species but it absolutely requires a small population of animals isolated from any related animals. With a large population of mingling animals, evolution often grinds to a halt because of the large genetic pool of animals in the area. Most animals remain unchanged for long periods of time and evolution happens in bursts between these long periods of inactivity.

I love the one-winged bird idea... Did it ever occur to you that evolution fails far more often than it succeeds? Evolution is simply a genetic mutation and happens all the time, most of the time resulting in the animal dying at birth or shortly thereafter because it can't compete with the rest of its kind. Evolution only takes place when said mutation is an improvement of the species in that specific environment (which is why small, isolated populations are required) but that doesn't mean that failed attempts at evolution aren't happening on a daily basis.

In short, all of those mysterious transitional forms are long dead because they failed. Evolution isn't some half-assed theory. The animal either succeeds in its environment or it dies off.

Oy. I could go on and on about this all day but I'll end it there. 




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have you "seen" this process happen rocketpig? other than "it makes sense in theory with associative evidence."




Bursche, first, what Rath said. Second, look up "Pascal's Wager" - your argument makes no sense. Third, mainstream biology largely ignores the existence of the ID movement - there's just nothing of substance there to talk about. It's the ID movement that obsesses about proving evolution wrong. Look at arguments for evolution, and you'll only see passing mentions of ID, if that. Look at arguments for ID, and you'll have a hard time telling whether or not you're reading positive arguments for ID or purely negative arguments against evolution.

Smidlee, honestly. Nice cheap, irrelevant shot.



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No actually I dont believe in God and Jesus because I want to be super safe. I was merely amused at the whole argument. You see all the people here acting like jackasses? Theyre all insulting Creationism like its a barbaric practice yet some of human's best creations are from believers. To even consider that it is acceptable and the majority of people nowadays to have no faith is more ignorant than not knowing all the science behind evolution.

I believe in God because humans are the only beings in this world with intelligent life of emotion and feeling. I have felt faith in this world and that is all I need to know to make my decision. You might mock me for being "ignorant" of the "facts", but this is my choice as a human beings. I respect yours, and as a fellow human, you should respect others as well.

But I guess there is proof for evolution yet in the animal like responses to our fellow man shown here. I bet it feels good to belittle others in the name of Darwin, who even doubted his own theories.



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mmnin said:
have you "seen" this process happen rocketpig? other than "it makes sense in theory with associative evidence."

Have you seen the movement of tectonic plates mmnin? other than "it makes sense in theory with associative evidence."

 

Things that take a long time are observed through long term predictions and through looking at past evidence. Evolution hardly happens overnight and only ever happens on a mass and fast scale after massive extinctions. Which happily humans look to be causing sometime in the next couple of hundred years, maybe we will be observing evolution sooner than we'd like. 

 



Bursche said:
What I find the most amusing between Darwinists and Creationists (and Im a creationist btw) is that many Darwinists get hell bent over proving the Creationists wrong. They are beliefs, we all have different ones, yet why argue over something like this, you wont change anyone's mind.

One really funny thing to me is beliefs in the afterlife of the two. Lets say you are a Darwinist, what will happen when you die? Nothing. Now a creationist, you go to heaven or hell. What a battle. I really see the only motivation for Darwinists to prove themselves correct because they dont want anyone else having hope in continuation after this world.

Whats the worst that can happen anyway? If I die, and I am wrong, I die like everyone else. Yet if I am right, I will go to heaven while the darwinist will go to hell. The irony is suffocating.


The Pope thinks anyone who doesn't believe in evolution is an idiot. So you don't have to not believe in god to say evolution is real.