My gaming laptop is 5 years old. It has a quadcore and 8 gb of ram..
(Granted, the ram is slow and the processor is shitty, but still... 5 years old.)

My gaming laptop is 5 years old. It has a quadcore and 8 gb of ram..
(Granted, the ram is slow and the processor is shitty, but still... 5 years old.)

Ruler said:
That chart you show is has an nvidia gtx 780ti in it a 400$/€ graphicscard and its for 720p not 1080p, so alot of the work does the gpu there in all fearness. And yes youre forced to upgrade your pc after 4-5 years. I have a corei7 the original 920 with 6gb of ram tripple channel, both seem to be fine now. But my graphicscards are 2x260s in sli, the gtx 260 is a much much stronger graphicscard what the ps3 has yet just because its not dx11 i wont be able to run almost any new game. The ps3 and xbox 360 to this day get still ports from new upcoming games who will require dx11 on pc. Games like the evil within wont run because its a dx10 graphicscard in my computer despite having a corei7 cpu. While the ps3 got a version of the evil within having technicaly a dx9 gpu, the nvidia gtx 7800. I build my pc in 2009 by the way. I dont see a point why i should upgrade my graphicscard for 300€ instead just buying a 400€ ps4 that costs pretty much the same and gives me tons of exclusives and physical media support. |
The point of the benchmark is to show that when there is no bottleneck for the CPU, that is the fps that you will be recieving... And resolution doesn't have significant impact on CPU performance. The chart simply shows that a cpu like an i3 will not be a bottleneck when it comes to SoM. Whatever bottleneck there is will be your GPU or something else.
Also, yes, a 780Ti costs a lot but again, the point of that chart was to show a cpu benchmark, not GPU.. The point that I am getting at is that an i3 + 280X can run SoM fairly easily in high settings which is shown on the benchmark. Yes, you won't be getting perfect results but the results will be close enough
And yes, the ps3 is getting some ports but thats what happens in a transition period... A lot of gaming PCs are direct X 11 capable and they have been for a very long time now hence why developers aren't bothering too much with dx9 and soon enough, there won't be any cross platform games either so it overall won't even matter soon enough. And if you follow PC gaming, its pretty easy to see the DX11/DX12 will be here to stay for a very long time and Nvidia has already stated that all DX11 GPUs will be getting a free DX12 update so stuff like that won't happen. And not to mention that Dx12 will be bringing much more "console level" optomizations to PCs with sigifinatly less overhead than DX11 which = more performance for games that decide to use it.
And PCs in general offer much more things than consoles do. Apart from the countless things that a PC can do other than being able to play games, Steam offers sales where 6500 games go on sale as well as AAA games that are releases a couple of months ago go on sale for 50%+. And not to mention how much other features that it has which are free that PS+/XBL require u to pay for. And of course, it has backwards compatiblity so that as you upgrade, you can still play ur old games unlike what you can do with a ps3/ps4/360/x1. Sure, you can keep ur ps3/360 but eventually, they will either break or get lost and you wouldn't be able to play those games on ur ps4/x1 unless u get another ps3/360. And there are plenty more benefits to PC gaming like mods and etc which you should be aware of since you are a so called "former pc gamer"
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| vivster said: It's definitely not getting cheaper for PC gamers. Most of the current gen games run like shit on ultra and high end cards. We're not gonna have much fun until the devs try to code proper for PC. We can't even think about 4K right now without massive graphical downgrades and multi GPUs. Wouldn't be surprised if we're still not at 4k in 5 years with single GPUs. |
I take it you hadn't built a PC when the PS360 released? An 8800 GT (high-end card) cost about $350 (GTX about $450) and the card couldn't run Crysis (a 2007 game) at much more than medium-high, 900p, 30fps. The cards today run their respective games fine, in retrospect.

PS4 and Xbox One haven't raised PC requirements AT ALL. WHY? b/c PCs especially gaming PCs are built to be upgraded. PCs always have more powerful graphics cards, RAM and everything else constantly coming out.
On the other hand Consoles get all of the Hardware at Day one. You can't swap out graphics cards, you can't add more RAM...
Consoles: They are built for stability. Buy Once never have to upgrade. Any game you buy will work as intended.
PCs: are built to be upgraded. If you buy a game your system may not be able to run it, or it may run sluggish. Every game you buy may not work on your current system. You need to check the requirements, before you purchase a PC game.
Consoles will NEVER dictate how powerful PC requirements will be, b/c they are always upgrading capabilities. It is what current PC specs are that dictate what type of SPECS a CONSOLE should be released with to stay relevant w/ the PC gaming section.
sc94597 said:
I take it you hadn't built a PC when the PS360 released? An 8800 GT (high-end card) cost about $350 (GTX about $450) and the card couldn't run Crysis (a 2007 game) at much more than medium-high, 900p, 30fps. The cards today run their respective games fine, in retrospect.
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Crysis is a horrible example for anything. But if you want to play that game.
Crysis 3, a 2 year old game, does a maximum of 40 fps on ultra 1080p with a GTX980, aka the strongest single GPU on the market right now. That one will set you back over $500 without even reaching 60fps.
How is that cheaper?
Or we're reasonable people and take some of the better optimized games and not some code that Crytek shat into a text editor.
Far Cry 4 and DAI were some of the better running games and still; a 970 is minimum requirement if you want to run it at a stable 60fps on ultra in Far Cry 4. DAI is a bit worse with a 980 barely reaching 60fps on average.
This is just the start of the gen and there will be a lot of unoptimized shit that can't be run by any high end card. Nope it's definitely not cheaper. Then again, if you want cheap, why use a PC?
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vivster said:
Crysis is a horrible example for anything. But if you want to play that game. Crysis 3, a 2 year old game, does a maximum of 40 fps on ultra 1080p with a GTX980, aka the strongest single GPU on the market right now. That one will set you back over $500 without even reaching 60fps. How is that cheaper? Or we're reasonable people and take some of the better optimized games and not some code that Crytek shat into a text editor. Far Cry 4 and DAI were some of the better running games and still; a 970 is minimum requirement if you want to run it at a stable 60fps on ultra in Far Cry 4. DAI is a bit worse with a 980 barely reaching 60fps on average. This is just the start of the gen and there will be a lot of unoptimized shit that can't be run by any high end card. Nope it's definitely not cheaper. Then again, if you want cheap, why use a PC? |
And how well does Crysis 3 run at medium-high? Exactly my point. If you wanted to run top of the line games at ultra 1080p (or even 900p) 60fps at the start of the 7th generation you had no other option than to SLI or Crossfire top of the line cards. So being able to buy a single card that maxes out unoptimized games is impressive.
I used Crysis because its an example of a hardware-pushing unoptimized game. How about I use a less demanding game.


or an even less demanding one than that.

Also remember that we are talking about GPU's alone. Motherboards and CPU's were much more expensive back then too. You wouldn't be able to find a $100-$150 CPU that ran games as well as an i3 or AMD's equivalents.
edit: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2222
I was wrong about the prices btw.
8800 Ultra - $830
8800 GTX - $600-650
8800 GTS - $400-450
And if you consider inflation, they cost even more in 2015 dollars.
vivster said:
Crysis is a horrible example for anything. But if you want to play that game. Crysis 3, a 2 year old game, does a maximum of 40 fps on ultra 1080p with a GTX980, aka the strongest single GPU on the market right now. That one will set you back over $500 without even reaching 60fps. How is that cheaper? Or we're reasonable people and take some of the better optimized games and not some code that Crytek shat into a text editor. Far Cry 4 and DAI were some of the better running games and still; a 970 is minimum requirement if you want to run it at a stable 60fps on ultra in Far Cry 4. DAI is a bit worse with a 980 barely reaching 60fps on average. This is just the start of the gen and there will be a lot of unoptimized shit that can't be run by any high end card. Nope it's definitely not cheaper. Then again, if you want cheap, why use a PC? |
It's definitely cheaper this gen. I built my current PC in 2013 and still manage to outperform the consoles; higher res, better performance and more effects.
Last gen I built a PC for similar money at the start of the gen and only just managed to match the performance of the 360/PS3. That was with a "decent" GPU released a year into the gen.
Captain_Yuri said:
The point of the benchmark is to show that when there is no bottleneck for the CPU, that is the fps that you will be recieving... And resolution doesn't have significant impact on CPU performance. The chart simply shows that a cpu like an i3 will not be a bottleneck when it comes to SoM. Whatever bottleneck there is will be your GPU or something else. Also, yes, a 780Ti costs a lot but again, the point of that chart was to show a cpu benchmark, not GPU.. The point that I am getting at is that an i3 + 280X can run SoM fairly easily in high settings which is shown on the benchmark. Yes, you won't be getting perfect results but the results will be close enough And yes, the ps3 is getting some ports but thats what happens in a transition period... A lot of gaming PCs are direct X 11 capable and they have been for a very long time now hence why developers aren't bothering too much with dx9 and soon enough, there won't be any cross platform games either so it overall won't even matter soon enough. And if you follow PC gaming, its pretty easy to see the DX11/DX12 will be here to stay for a very long time and Nvidia has already stated that all DX11 GPUs will be getting a free DX12 update so stuff like that won't happen. And not to mention that Dx12 will be bringing much more "console level" optomizations to PCs with sigifinatly less overhead than DX11 which = more performance for games that decide to use it. And PCs in general offer much more things than consoles do. Apart from the countless things that a PC can do other than being able to play games, Steam offers sales where 6500 games go on sale as well as AAA games that are releases a couple of months ago go on sale for 50%+. And not to mention how much other features that it has which are free that PS+/XBL require u to pay for. And of course, it has backwards compatiblity so that as you upgrade, you can still play ur old games unlike what you can do with a ps3/ps4/360/x1. Sure, you can keep ur ps3/360 but eventually, they will either break or get lost and you wouldn't be able to play those games on ur ps4/x1 unless u get another ps3/360. And there are plenty more benefits to PC gaming like mods and etc which you should be aware of since you are a so called "former pc gamer" |
I never cared about mods, dealing with windows, installing games and fixing some issues to run the games properly is allready a hazzle enough for me, and mods for me felt always cheap. Yes you can make the characters naked with mods, but you cant add breast physics in the games just one example if you understand my logic here. Mods feel just cheap to me, i would take original content from the original devoloper at any day over mods.
That backwards compatibility on pc is a myth, yes you can install the games but that doesnt mean they will run. Have you ever tried to play windows 95 games? These games wont even run on XP, i still have XP on my computer installed so i can play some older games like mgs2 for example or silent hill 3 which crashes on w7. Its much easier just to buy an older console again from ebay etc. than trying to run older pc games. And what costs a ps2? nothing. Yes some older consoles went up in price but its mostly the really really old stuff when PCs didnt exist or niche consoles.
Steam sales arent cheaper than console games if anything they are more expensive, the evil within for example. I bought this game from amazon for 38€ while on steam it still costs 60€. How is steam cheaper? it might get cheaper if youre right and it drops 50% to 30€ in a steam sale. But why should i wait for this day? If console retail games constantly drop in price day after day why should i wait? And used games like the evil within are even more cheaper which costs 30€ on amazon.
Its a fact that console retail games are cheaper than steam games as indepedent retailers and resellers can react and have a say there too on the price, on steam its only valve and the publishers/devolopers who set the price. And used console games are even more cheaper like i said. And you dont have to wait for a day, its happening in real time after the game launches thanks to the open market.
Sorry i wanted to led this thread die but i hate these certain PC myths you brought up
w8 what? sure the next gen got us a bit higher requirements buts thats totaly normal, last gen was just to old, they could cheap out by setting minimum settings to subhd. now its no longer possible now.
and pc gamer, stop this uhh but at the start of last gen..- yes, we all know, this gen is weaker than last, but thats not what this thread is about.
vivster said:
Crysis is a horrible example for anything. But if you want to play that game. Crysis 3, a 2 year old game, does a maximum of 40 fps on ultra 1080p with a GTX980, aka the strongest single GPU on the market right now. That one will set you back over $500 without even reaching 60fps. How is that cheaper? Or we're reasonable people and take some of the better optimized games and not some code that Crytek shat into a text editor. Far Cry 4 and DAI were some of the better running games and still; a 970 is minimum requirement if you want to run it at a stable 60fps on ultra in Far Cry 4. DAI is a bit worse with a 980 barely reaching 60fps on average. This is just the start of the gen and there will be a lot of unoptimized shit that can't be run by any high end card. Nope it's definitely not cheaper. Then again, if you want cheap, why use a PC? |
It has nothing to do with optimisation but with intel and nvidia ripping off niche costumers. Nvidia and co. could easily make cheaper graphicscards but they know they have the best of the best. Thats why you cant buy an corei7 8-core for a reasonible price or why their best graphicscard is a titan for a 1000€.
Yes pc gaming starting from below is very cheap because thats the area where they ussually had to compete with powerPC consoles and now with ARM based smartphones and tablets. But as soon as you go upwards you get less and less for your money.