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small44 on 06 February 2015
teigaga said:
tbone51 said:


Nope, it wont get close to 2mil. In japan the sales were both 1.1mil in 2013+2014, the games you mentioned wont push vita passed 1mil this year (Saga+Digimon are the only real system sellers i see as of now) in japan. 2013 had Price Cut with huge games (for the system) and 2014 started really strong, but fell apart during Q4.

Vita will do 700k-900k this year (japan). PS4 will hurt sales overall especially with all the big games coming in for it. As for the games you mentioned...

SAO: Already had one

Persona: Just a dancing game

GE: Ok this will give a nice boost but nothing compared to GE first release which had vita tv launch+holiday boost beside it.

One Piece: Its on PS4/PS3

Digimon: Could push the system, but im not that confident (i just hope the game does well tbh)

Star Ocean: No Comment

Saga: This will push systems, guaranteed

Toukiden: Already had 2 games released.

Isn't Hatsume Miku also just a dance game? Given the game is also coming with a limited edition Vita and a Persona 5 bluray disc I think it will definitely move systems. 

Also I never said japan will give it 2m, I said japan and asia (including china launch), will garuntee 2m in response to the 2:1 ratio Ryng Tolu expects WIi U to outsell Vita. Wii U will have to sell a above 4m this year for it to achieve that.

Chinese market is dominated by mmo games does Vita have any of them,Most of vita games are niche games i t won't help vita in China too.

I can't see more then 500k for the first year in China



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

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teigaga on 06 February 2015
tbone51 said:
teigaga said:

Isn't Hatsume Miku also just a dance game? Given the game is also coming with a limited edition Vita and a Persona 5 bluray disc I think it will definitely move systems. 

Also I never said japan will give it 2m, I said japan and asia (including china launch), will garuntee 2m in response to the 2:1 ratio Ryng Tolu expects WIi U to outsell Vita. Wii U will have to sell a above 4m this year for it to achieve that.


If vita sells 700k-900k (its #1 region) in japan,  you thinkthe remainder 1.1mil-1.3mil are going to come from china+the other asian countries? O.o I be surprised if NoA+Europe hits 2mil with japan this year. (if no price cut of course)

lool, no WW. I'm saying the asain countries garuntee it won't fall below that.



pinkyxyz on 06 February 2015

Probably true, but i still enjoy both of them



teigaga on 06 February 2015
small44 said:
teigaga said:
Isn't Hatsume Miku also just a dance game? Given the game is also coming with a limited edition Vita and a Persona 5 bluray disc I think it will definitely move systems. 


Also I never said japan will give it 2m, I said japan and asia (including china launch), will garuntee 2m in response to the 2:1 ratio Ryng Tolu expects WIi U to outsell Vita. Wii U will have to sell a above 4m this year for it to achieve that.

Chinese market is dominated by mmo games does Vita have any of them,Most of vita games are niche games i t won't help vita in China too.

I can't see more then 500k for the first year in China

The chinese mobile market is dominated by MMOs? I don't have much grasp of the chinese market, but what actual evidence do we have in order to gauge the potential for dedicated hanhelds over there? Genuine question.

Otherwise your statement is like saying, the west market is dominated by AAA FPS and Western RPGS. What chance does the 3DS have over here. 

500k is quite a lot btw lol (given Vita's sales). 



Samus Aran on 06 February 2015
zorg1000 said:
Dr.Vita said:

China and Japan, let's say "Rest of the World". 
PS Vita is getting God Eater 2: Rage Burst, a new version of the best sold game in Japan and it looks like Rage Burst could even sell more than the original game on the Vita. Games like Sword Art Online Lost Song, One Piece Pirate Warriors 3 and Persona 4: Dancing All Night will help the Vita a lot, the predecessor of them did all quite good on the Vita. And don't forget new games like Digimon Cyber Sleuth, SaGa and Night Cry which all have a lot potencial. "The Rest of the World" loves portable gaming, so Vita will sell a lot units there. I can even see Vita doing better in the west this year than last year, Sony must bring us a Minecraft bundle and localize games like God Eater 2: Rage Burst, Digimon Cyber Sleuth or the new SaGa.


Those big games that u listed, God Eater, Sword Art, One Piece, Persona, all belong to series that already have installments on Vita so there is a high chance that those games will sell well but not necessarily do a whole lot for hardware.

Can these even be called big games lol? God Eater 2 sold 440k...



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small44 on 06 February 2015
teigaga said:
small44 said:
teigaga said:
Isn't Hatsume Miku also just a dance game? Given the game is also coming with a limited edition Vita and a Persona 5 bluray disc I think it will definitely move systems. 


Also I never said japan will give it 2m, I said japan and asia (including china launch), will garuntee 2m in response to the 2:1 ratio Ryng Tolu expects WIi U to outsell Vita. Wii U will have to sell a above 4m this year for it to achieve that.

Chinese market is dominated by mmo games does Vita have any of them,Most of vita games are niche games i t won't help vita in China too.

I can't see more then 500k for the first year in China

The chinese mobile market is dominated by MMOs? I don't have much grasp of the chinese market, but what actual evidence do we have in order to gauge the potential for dedicated hanhelds over there? Genuine question.

Otherwise your statement is like saying, the west market is dominated by AAA FPS and Western RPGS. What chance does the 3DS have over here. 

500k is quite a lot btw lol (given Vita's sales). 

What make you think vita will do welll there



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

zorg1000 on 06 February 2015
Samus Aran said:
zorg1000 said:


Those big games that u listed, God Eater, Sword Art, One Piece, Persona, all belong to series that already have installments on Vita so there is a high chance that those games will sell well but not necessarily do a whole lot for hardware.

Can these even be called big games lol? God Eater 2 sold 440k...


In Japan that's pretty solid.



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Samus Aran on 06 February 2015
zorg1000 said:
Samus Aran said:

Can these even be called big games lol? God Eater 2 sold 440k...


In Japan that's pretty solid.

It's not big. Just like Bravely Default is not a big game. Pokémon, Youkai Watch, Animal Crossing and Monster Hunter are big.



jclock on 06 February 2015

It's Dr. Vita, every thread he gets the chance, he attacks the Wii U cause, without evidence, he hates the console. Since a certain term here is banned, that's as far as I will go on that side.

But Lol, really Dr. Vita. Vita will be 3 years old THIS month. 3 years at 9.8 million is bad, like really bad. The Wii U will turn 3 years old later this year after heavy hitters are out. Chances the Wii U will hit 13 or 14 million is actually really high this year. Big titles, DLC which is still coming out, and a heathly stable of first party high quality titles.

The games on my head this year for Wii U are:
Project Cars, Kirby, Legend of Zelda, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Lego Jurassic World (I enjoy the lego games), Star Fox, and generally any other side project they have that interest me. I have Mario Kart 8, and Hyrule Warriors, both have DLC coming. Smash has Mewtwo, and if they do more content like the free 8-man smash stage update (which made 15 more stages playable in 8 man smash).

Just because China is getting the Vita doesn't mean it will sell well there. Japan is a mobile culture, China is like us, so they may reject it as much as we do here. Considering you can buy a Wii U in China on the gray market says a lot too. In China, PC gaming has always reigned supreme



jclock on 06 February 2015
teigaga said:

In Japan they're definitely on the Vita's side and they're the sole reason its selling at this point. Also the reason why I expect Vita to win in the longrun is because the Japanese devs are giving it consistent support and there is no signs of that changing, with further price cuts along the way and another hardware revision likely I think the Vita will continue selling in the distant future at a similar rate to which it is now. Japanese devs won't be in a hurry to abondon a capable handheld wiith a fair install base, I think we'll see a repeat of the PSPs long legs. The Wii U however is entirely dependent on Ninendo's support, I don't see that exisiting past 2016 


I don't think you've seen the suppor the Wii U has in Japan, aside from western releases (which most Japanese players care little about), it's getting a lot of Japanese dev love.