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joeorc said:
WagnerPaiva said:
PS4 owner will lose some cool free online games I guess. But, oh, well, there are worst stuff happening in the world.


Loose them? What do you mean by that, they were also on the PC, so how can The PS4 owner Loose some cool free online games when they even stated the games will still be released, and they said they were going to expand the platform base by offering other platforms also the games, it was already on PC anyway, so it was not exclusives at all let alone many on here excluded them anyway because they were not a physical release and were digital release, and top it off free 2 play, many really did not consider older Pc ports for Sony as a bullet point for games that make your console a must have on the release list anyway, so why is it now. Really such a big deal?

I don´t know man, I am not that bright, ask anyone here. 

It was just a opinion, just that...



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Fusioncode said:
VanceIX said:
Potentially. All I would say is to be weary over the next year or two. PS4 sales alone won't keep them afloat, and the rest of their markets are doing mediocre to bad.

Sigh.

Is that hard to do some research before making posts like this? PS4 sales are not the only thing making money for Sony. Not even close. Six out of nine Sony divisions were profitable last quarter. The fact that you think gaming is the only profitable market for Sony is hilarious. They're not even the most profitable division. Seriously, it took me five seconds on Google to find that information. 

Sigh.

I know that, which is why I said gaming alone can't carry them. Right now their gaming division is the most successful, but it isn't nearly as important or profitable as some of their divisions are/should be. I was trying to make the point that people on here claiming that they are fine in this financial crisis are completely wrong. Sony needs to get their s#it together in their other divisions, because they need them to make a profit. See my above post.



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VanceIX said:
joeorc said:


Why? You think Sony is going to go completely belly up?

Here is a point again I have been pointing out, the way Sony is cutting and down sizing there would not be massive employed payouts to workers in the 100 of thousands of people employees that work at Sony currently, Sony's playstation section is only less than 9000 people total!

Its not going to be the main area that would be let go, it would be other sections, thus cutting and trimming only helps Sony because it will shrink the overhead! When people seem to say, Sony cannot thrive being only a game company..why not?

 

Why cannot Sony become just a game and entertainment company that defines itself as "sony" being only/just that? People say it would be a shadow of its former self, and yet with a debt in 100's of millions, with a junk bond rating was yet again able to create a very fast selling game console. Hell cutting out now of the dedicated Game handheld sysytem space after the PSVita and move that to software/services on smartphones as mainly App store distributions, and PSNow, PSvue and Playstation Mobile releases along with indie focused games for smartphone will generated more profit than Sony could have ever made with a dedicated Game handheld. And still have a large % of the mobile game handheld market because like apple and google and samsung Sony could make games for those smartphone and indirectly compete with Nintendo.

 

As a matter of fact that will also mean more focus for living room console development because with the way the ps4 is selling sofar it seems that is where their real selling power for playstation as a platform is, the living room.

Sony isn't going to belly up, but their gaming and entertainment divisions are nowhere near their most important. They need their camera and phone ivisions to do better, since that's where hte big profit margin is.

Sony needs to get their stuff together and figure out what to do. Nintendo can get away with entertainment-only bussiness because they have such a huge profit margin on all their consoles and games. Sony and Microsoft don't have that, so their gaming core isn't going to keep them running.

Also, not sure if you noticed, but Sony's entertainment business is doing pretty terriblr too, after the hacks and all. Depending on that would be pure stupidity on their part.


You do not think the heads over @ Sony do not know what to do?

Its one thing to point and say , hey you are not moving fast enough to cut, this or that but when you employ over 100,000 people with the resources those people expect for job's they do for your company, the last thing you do is just let them twist in the wind without trying to find some area or other place for them to call home still with employment if you can.

Its that point of cutting and trim the company down that is what Sony is doing despite not cutting as fast as some would like from a west centric point of view.

I keep hearing gaming and entertainment is no where near important, but in fact it is, do you know how much Sony 1st invested to create the playstation part of the company? Do you know how much it only started with?

 

In fact after 10 years on the market Sony has generated over 50 billion in Revenue just with the playstation section alone by itself , do you really think thats not anywhere near a priority? The simple fact Sony's loss in smartphones was because they paid too much for the buy out based on revaluation of the cost write down and the reduction in not only work force but also reduction in the number of smartphone models released in a year and the number of releases a year for phone's. The Loss accured is a write down of good will due to the cost of restructure and the orig. Buy out.

The Playstation and entertainment section is not the lower investment arm of Sony anymore its becoming the main Arm. And that means reduction further of assets of other parts that can be sold off and levered to pay down debt and offset massive overhead. The value of the playstation brand is what would you say?

Microsoft's xbox brand is valued over 17 billion, and is playstation value lower or higher than that? Some may Say lower because profits are no where near Microsoft's, which while is true, microsoft overhead is no where near Sony's. So reduction to more software services is further increase in profits if you reduce operating expenses. Which less than 9000 total employees is a hell of a lot less than the 30, to 60 thousands of other TV and factory line workforce sony has to pay out.

To say, sony has to get their act together is easy to point out when its not the people employed you have to look out for, in the west companies are more than willing to hand out the old pink slip. Not such is the case in japan

But thats ok, many such experts rate your company based on the valuation of lower assets in order to buy cheap so as to make profit off the miss fortune of other's, but what else is new.



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joeorc said:


You do not think the heads over @ Sony do not know what to do?

Seeing as that Sony has been losing more and more money every year, and still retains some of their worst qualities that resulted in this crisis, and has been forced to spin/sell off many divisions including important ones like VAIO and Bravia, yes, I think that the Sony heads have no fricken clue what they are doing. The arrogance of their execs and inability to adjust to the market has always hurt them, and continues to. There has been some change, but at this point it's too little too late for the most part. I'm not saying this as a Sony hater, I love Sony with all my heart but the higher ups in most of their divisions have been plain incompetent at many times throughout the years.

If you wish to turn a blind eye to that, and pretend that what I'm saying has no meaning, good on you. Sony'll just continue to hemmorage money while you rave about the competence of their higher ups.



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VanceIX said:
Fusioncode said:

Sigh.

Is that hard to do some research before making posts like this? PS4 sales are not the only thing making money for Sony. Not even close. Six out of nine Sony divisions were profitable last quarter. The fact that you think gaming is the only profitable market for Sony is hilarious. They're not even the most profitable division. Seriously, it took me five seconds on Google to find that information. 

Sigh.

I know that, which is why I said gaming alone can't carry them. Right now their gaming division is the most successful, but it isn't nearly as important or profitable as some of their divisions are/should be. I was trying to make the point that people on here claiming that they are fine in this financial crisis are completely wrong. Sony needs to get their s#it together in their other divisions, because they need them to make a profit. See my above post.


What if they feel further investments into other sections may not be worth the costs to maintain, and its better to sell off assets til further reduce the operation expenses?

The point is For all we know the board and the CEO OF Sony may look at Gaming and Entertainment of the market is the real Area of Strength to grow their market share and most important profit's generated.

If anything with kaz and the board seeing as how facebook, and Google, and Microsoft are really mainly software and service oriented Companies that started out as software and than built to hardware, Sony may see it as going less hardware and more software and services are a better fit for Sony at this time, and Playstation as the vactor of attack for market growth for Sony as a company is clear from their standpoint not TV's, Not Tablets, Not PC's hell NOT smartphone's in the low to mid tier, if anything less models but higher price premium is their goal. It not about market share growth for hardware.

When it comes to other parts of the company its about growing an area where they have a realistic chance to grow market share and that is infact GAMING!

Being a mainly Game and entertainment company works for Nintendo and it can work for Sony also.



I AM BOLO

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ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

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vivster said:
Yep, Sony doomed. Can't wait to see what they're selling next :)


Playstation to microsoft for world domination of course



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VanceIX said:
joeorc said:


You do not think the heads over @ Sony do not know what to do?

Seeing as that Sony has been losing more and more money every year, and still retains some of their worst qualities that resulted in this crisis, and has been forced to spin/sell off many divisions including important ones like VAIO and Bravia, yes, I think that the Sony heads have no fricken clue what they are doing. The arrogance of their execs and inability to adjust to the market has always hurt them, and continues to. There has been some change, but at this point it's too little too late for the most part. I'm not saying this as a Sony hater, I love Sony with all my heart but the higher ups in most of their divisions have been plain incompetent at many times throughout the years.

If you wish to turn a blind eye to that, and pretend that what I'm saying has no meaning, good on you. Sony'll just continue to hemmorage money while you rave about the competence of their higher ups.


Take a look at this:

http://anime.astronerdboy.com/2011/06/mr-baseball-movie-of-japanese-culture.html#.VNCHIJ_0Dcd

Its very easy to point from a west centric point of view this is the way it needs to be.

Its very easy to keep pointing that out.

The problem is in japan, this may only be the way it can be right now.

Social limitation on how a company is ran may put problems in the way like taking care of the employed unless you can offer a solution to a problem with these restrictions in place and trying to change those restrictions you have. To work with in may be not only problematic, but also slow going to enact change of those very same restrictions.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

Don't worry. They will use the money to fund 10 Vita studios. It lives.



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I really hope we get the sale price. If it was big than SOE was an exceptional investment for Sony.



I won't be worried until they sell one of their first party home console studios.