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Nuvendil said:
Euphoria14 said:

Nuvendil said:

Well like I said in another thread, a game can be enjoyable and yet not worthy of a high score.  This is something people seem to understand perfectly well with indies but don't apply it to the AAAs.  Destiny had many flaws that were objective, demonstrable negatives and missed opportunities.  Just like, say, Mount&Blade.  As such, criticism was warranted. 


Absolutely! Thing I see however is that in the world of gaming, especially on forums, any negative brought up gets blown way out of proportion.

It's the fandoms on both sides.  Give a gamea  score that's too high or too low and you hurt someone's feelings and then it all goes to crap.  The Order isn't the first game where criticism caused a three ring circus.  My advice, grab the jumbo size and enjoy the show.

100% agree with you.



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Fact is theres a loty of jelousy towards anything to do with PS4 do to its success.  Typical fanboy bs aside many seem to have overly bunched rusttled panties over it.  

Oh enough of this concpiracy theory bs.  You can talk trash about user scores cause they are trash, but there is not some industry wide consipiracy against Sony, please.

And just cause you enjoy a game does not mean it deserves a high score. 

Fact is it goes both ways: fanboys and haters alike have tainted the reviews.



In other interesting news if no one noticed, Hyrule Warriors entered the top 100 again. Looks like it got a price cut.



Nuvendil said:
Mikmster said:
Insidb said:
Kerotan said:


Yeah so it's just haters who are not on ps4. God this game has brought a lot of people's true colors out.

And fanboys blindly praising; the lack of accountability strikes again and costs us all any semblance of objectivity.

Fact is theres a loty of jelousy towards anything to do with PS4 do to its success.  Typical fanboy bs aside many seem to have overly bunched rusttled panties over it.  

Oh enough of this concpiracy theory bs.  You can talk trash about user scores cause they are trash, but there is not some industry wide consipiracy against Sony, please.

And just cause you enjoy a game does not mean it deserves a high score. 


Markets leaders always get a larger dose of hate then anyone else.  Thats no conspiracy theory.  PS4s massive world wide success rusteld many peoples, thats a fact.  

Also theres a difference in enjoying a game and being fair about its qualities, i love sports cars and could not care less about pick up trucks but would shit on a pick up for it being a pick up truck.  



Mikmster said:
Nuvendil said:
Mikmster said:
Insidb said:
Kerotan said:


Yeah so it's just haters who are not on ps4. God this game has brought a lot of people's true colors out.

And fanboys blindly praising; the lack of accountability strikes again and costs us all any semblance of objectivity.

Fact is theres a loty of jelousy towards anything to do with PS4 do to its success.  Typical fanboy bs aside many seem to have overly bunched rusttled panties over it.  

Oh enough of this concpiracy theory bs.  You can talk trash about user scores cause they are trash, but there is not some industry wide consipiracy against Sony, please.

And just cause you enjoy a game does not mean it deserves a high score. 


Markets leaders always get a larger dose of hate then anyone else.  Thats no conspiracy theory.  PS4s massive world wide success rusteld many peoples, thats a fact.  

Also theres a difference in enjoying a game and being fair about its qualities, i love sports cars and could not care less about pick up trucks but would shit on a pick up for it being a pick up truck.  

Saying that there are some fanboys giving angry reviews on metacritic and amazon for the sake of it is one thing (nearly every major franchise and game gets this btw; and most have it offset by fans), but you seemed to be implying that the game has been conspired against by the majority of the industry (youtubers, media outlets, industry veterans) cause it's associated with Sony.  That concpiracy mindset is demonstrably false. 



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Euphoria14 said:

Glad to see The Order holding well. I'm seriously enjoying this game, much more than most games that I purchased within the 6-12 months. Just a shame that I'm in Chapter 9 and it will be ending soon.

I loved Destiny as well, and that game too received lots of negative criticism.

I love Destiny (Yes, it has many flaws.) and usually concur with your sentiments, so I think I'm going to have play The Order.

The great irony of the negative criticisms directed at The Order and Destiny is how much they reveal the contradictory nature of individuals who are looking for negative aspects. The Order was slammed for being too much story and too little gameplay, and Destiny was slammed for being too little story and too much gameplay. These aspects were so overemphasized that people gave them hyperbolic negative reviews (Many 0s on meta and Amazon), but no one justifiably reacted and said, "This story is amazing makes it props up the weaknesses" or "The sheer hours of gameplay you get out of the game more than makes the weak story palatable." My 850 hours+ of Destiny played make me realize that I'd have to be an ungrateful bastard not to realize that I have gotten tremendous balue out of the game, regardless of the story.



Insidb said:
Euphoria14 said:

Glad to see The Order holding well. I'm seriously enjoying this game, much more than most games that I purchased within the 6-12 months. Just a shame that I'm in Chapter 9 and it will be ending soon.

I loved Destiny as well, and that game too received lots of negative criticism.

I love Destiny (Yes, it has many flaws.) and usually concur with your sentiments, so I think I'm going to have play The Order.

The great irony of the negative criticisms directed at The Order and Destiny is how much they reveal the contradictory nature of individuals who are looking for negative aspects. The Order was slammed for being too much story and too little gameplay, and Destiny was slammed for being too little story and too much gameplay. These aspects were so overemphasized that people gave them hyperbolic negative reviews (Many 0s on meta and Amazon), but no one justifiably reacted and said, "This story is amazing makes it props up the weaknesses" or "The sheer hours of gameplay you get out of the game more than makes the weak story palatable." My 850 hours+ of Destiny played make me realize that I'd have to be an ungrateful bastard not to realize that I have gotten tremendous balue out of the game, regardless of the story.

Well there is importance in ballance. 

And Destiny was criticized for lack of content; it was literally repetative.  As in you repeat the same content over and over.  Without the online, it would literally be an endless "new game plus" cycle, basically.  Sans what little story there is.  That's worth criticizing.

I have not played The Order, but there is missed opportunity when you go too far into the cinematic route.  And again, that warrants criticism. I have an issue with the fact that people seem to be implying that "achieved vission"=high score worthy.  And it doesn't. 



Nuvendil said:

Saying that there are some fanboys giving angry reviews on metacritic and amazon for the sake of it is one thing, but you seemed to be implying that the game has been conspired against by the majority of the industry (youtubers, media outlets, industry veterans) cause it's associated with Sony.  That concpiracy mindset is demonstrably false. 


You think they dont get am extra amount of hate,  those Jaded industy vets youtubers media are all moslty fools who at the end of the day get payed better for negativity then good.  By the way a conspiracy is a plan by a group of people.  So no lol.



I love Destiny (Yes, it has many flaws.) and usually concur with your sentiments, so I think I'm going to have play The Order.

The great irony of the negative criticisms directed at The Order and Destiny is how much they reveal the contradictory nature of individuals who are looking for negative aspects. The Order was slammed for being too much story and too little gameplay, and Destiny was slammed for being too little story and too much gameplay. These aspects were so overemphasized that people gave them hyperbolic negative reviews (Many 0s on meta and Amazon), but no one justifiably reacted and said, "This story is amazing makes it props up the weaknesses" or "The sheer hours of gameplay you get out of the game more than makes the weak story palatable." My 850 hours+ of Destiny played make me realize that I'd have to be an ungrateful bastard not to realize that I have gotten tremendous balue out of the game, regardless of the story.

Well there is importance in ballance. 

And Destiny was criticized for lack of content; it was literally repetative.  As in you repeat the same content over and over.  Without the online, it would literally be an endless "new game plus" cycle, basically.  Sans what little story there is.  That's worth criticizing.

I have not played The Order, but there is missed opportunity when you go too far into the cinematic route.  And again, that warrants criticism. I have an issue with the fact that people seem to be implying that "achieved vission"=high score worthy.  And it doesn't. 

But let's be fair: The Order was SLAMMED for having a campaign that was too short, to the point where it's constantly mention in reviews as being a value factor (price/hours). If I did the same calculation for Destiny, it would be $0.10/hr, and many people have blown past me. The game has a weak story (I can only conclude that my character is an interplanetary, psychopathic, mass murderer, because I can't tell you why I killed all of those aliens), but the value is pretty massive. It's not really an issue of the games being unjusitfiably criticized; it's an issue of their flaws being exaggerated and overemphasized. 

Case in point: Super Mario 3 is terrible, because it overemphasizes gameplay, can be beat in a few hours, the graphics are midling, and the story is flimsy and incoherent. I give it a 0. 

Those are the ramblings of the insane fanboys, and they are polluting the metacritic waters.



BraLoD said:
CosmicSex said:


Has anyone noted the large disparity between Final Fantasy Type 0 PS4 and Xbox One, which is at 368.  I say this because I was always an advocate of the idea that gamers tastes aren't really seperated by console... however clearly, JRPG fans skew heavily in favor of the PS4.  There seem to be some genres that skew in favor of the Xbox One.  


Final Fantasy already showed this prefference last gen. FF15 might end up selling well at the XBO, but it won't be nowhere near the sales on PS4.

Are you being charitable here? FFXIII did pretty well on 360, partly no doubt because some former PS2 owners went with 360 last gen, but also partly because core Xbox owners (i.e. from the XB Og days) wanted to finally give This much praised series a try. I think by and large the core Xbox base got burned with FFXIII and its 2 sequels and they won't be returning any time soon. Many if not most former PS2 owners, if they are coming in to this generation at all, will go back to PS. So unless FF TypeO restores a lot of confidence in the FF games I don;t see FFXV selling at all well on Xb one.

Interesting to see The Order head upwards again. PS4 has been stable at 8 for a little while now, Xb one has climed a few spots again. The Order at 12 and 65 on the Monthly chart makes it a pretty good candidate for being in the NPD top 10. It will be interesting to see whether The Order or Evolve will be ahead on NPD as Amazon is giving the clear win to The Order with not many days of the month to go. I'm sure NPD PR will release the relative positions of The Order and Evolve even if they neither are in the top 10. 



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