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CosmicSex on 10 February 2015
st0pnsw0p said:
CosmicSex said:


Two things:

First - Having played the game, I find it disheartening tha the critic reiews aren't looking anything like actual user reviews.  In other words, who are they game sites writing these reviews for and why don't they match the expectations of their reiders?

Second - Yes, it is quite amazing to see The Order toping Evolve on its launch day.

That's because the user reviewers clearly have an anti-DLC agenda, for better or for worse, whereas the reviewers only care about if the game is any good. Even looking at some of the user reviews on Steam, a number of people who gave the game a thumbs down admit that the gameplay's quite good and they only rate it poorly because of DLC.

Either way, it's gone u pquite a bit in number of players compared to earlier when the peak was in the 7k's. There are currently 17k+ people playing it with today's peak being 27801.

Also, XBOne back above The Order, Evolve PS4 dropped significantly to #29, XBOne version holding up better at #22.


Well, I actually don't like the game and not because of the DLC... I just find it dry, boring and incredibly repetitive and unworthy of $60.  But in reponse to the DLC issue... if people don't like that, and critics know this - shouldn't they consider this as a negative thing that readers obviously don't want?   I guess what I am saying is - do reviewers really know what gamers want?

Either way, maybe its for the best that people rebel against this infestation of DLC that has become games. 



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binary solo on 10 February 2015
CosmicSex said:
st0pnsw0p said:

That's because the user reviewers clearly have an anti-DLC agenda, for better or for worse, whereas the reviewers only care about if the game is any good. Even looking at some of the user reviews on Steam, a number of people who gave the game a thumbs down admit that the gameplay's quite good and they only rate it poorly because of DLC.

Either way, it's gone u pquite a bit in number of players compared to earlier when the peak was in the 7k's. There are currently 17k+ people playing it with today's peak being 27801.

Also, XBOne back above The Order, Evolve PS4 dropped significantly to #29, XBOne version holding up better at #22.


Well, I actually don't like the game and not because of the DLC... I just find it dry, boring and incredibly repetitive and unworthy of $60.  But in reponse to the DLC issue... if people don't like that, and critics know this - shouldn't they consider this as a negative thing that readers obviously don't want?   I guess what I am saying is - do reviewers really know what gamers want?

Either way, maybe its for the best that people rebel against this infestation of DLC that has become games. 

It's not a reviewer's job to think about the tastes and preferences of the average gamer. They review a game according to their own tastes and opinions. But, when the DLC approach being taken for this game has got a lot of pre-launch media and gamer attention it would be a significant gap in a review for the reviewer to not voice their opinion on whether the DLC approach has significantly impacted on the value and depth of the out of the box experience.

Only one monster option, with all the other monster types being behind DLC paywalls seems to me like a major negative on the value and depth of a game being sold at full AAA price. To me that would warrant taking off a whole point for a review score, an 8 would become a 7, a 7 would become a 6. But if you can unlock those monsters via level progression without having to pay extra, then that's OK. I have no problem with giving people the option to play for extras (the long route) or pay for extras (the short route). It's only when the choice is pay for extras or miss out that there is a real problem with a game being released with overly constrained day 1 content.

Interesting to see the PS4 version of Evolve plummet while the Xb one version holds up fairly well. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Xb one version wind up ahead on NPD / VGC.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

CosmicSex on 10 February 2015
binary solo said:
CosmicSex said:

 

It's not a reviewer's job to think about the tastes and preferences of the average gamer. They review a game according to their own tastes and opinions. But, when the DLC approach being taken for this game has got a lot of pre-launch media and gamer attention it would be a significant gap in a review for the reviewer to not voice their opinion on whether the DLC approach has significantly impacted on the value and depth of the out of the box experience.

Only one monster option, with all the other monster types being behind DLC paywalls seems to me like a major negative on the value and depth of a game being sold at full AAA price. To me that would warrant taking off a whole point for a review score, an 8 would become a 7, a 7 would become a 6. But if you can unlock those monsters via level progression without having to pay extra, then that's OK. I have no problem with giving people the option to play for extras (the long route) or pay for extras (the short route). It's only when the choice is pay for extras or miss out that there is a real problem with a game being released with overly constrained day 1 content.

Interesting to see the PS4 version of Evolve plummet while the Xb one version holds up fairly well. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Xb one version wind up ahead on NPD / VGC.

I definitely don't think that a reviewer should dock the game for DLC, but I do believe that it should be mentioned as a measure of value.  It obviously matters to the consumer.   And thats what reviews are supposed to do - inform consumers.  I think it is reasonable to inform consumers what they get for $60 and what they need to pay for other content.  Will additional purchases give you an edge in this game?  Yes.   This information should be included in the review. 



Roaringriku786 on 10 February 2015

PS4:9
XBO :17
ORDER 1886:18

EVOLVE XBO:22

EVOLVE PS4:29



Playstation_awaiter on 10 February 2015
binary solo said:
Wondering if anyone at Neogaf has pointed out the 100% record of Amazon at predicting NPD's winner since December 2013.


Yes, I mention it all the time. Tomorrow I get unbanned. Can't wait to go back. 



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DannyDanger89 on 10 February 2015

Is it safe to say ppl don't give sh** about evolve?



thedawghousev2 on 10 February 2015
BraLoD said:
XBO version of Evolve keeping an average position, PS4 version dropping like a rock, this game will have no legs, now it'll be The Order time to PS4.

Also, TLOU (PS3) back on the top 100 even without the PS3 there, this game is simply a beast.
I wonder in what range the PS3 version sales are right now, way more than half a year since the last update with the over 7M sales, and as it seems it won't be stopping soon... Damn, I would love to see they say "The Last of Us sales topped 10M in the PS3 alone", it deserves that so much.


it's probably at 9 million by now, 8.6 million minimum.



binary solo on 10 February 2015
Playstation_awaiter said:
binary solo said:
Wondering if anyone at Neogaf has pointed out the 100% record of Amazon at predicting NPD's winner since December 2013.


Yes, I mention it all the time. Tomorrow I get unbanned. Can't wait to go back. 

What were you banned for?



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

thedawghousev2 on 10 February 2015
BraLoD said:
thedawghousev2 said:


it's probably at 9 million by now, 8.6 million minimum.


Do you think if it ever reaches 10M with only the PS3 version Sony will tell us?
Would be nice to promote Uncharted 4 as the game after the 10M success The Last of Us from Naught Dog, but I'm not sure if it can hit it before Uncharted 4, but after it I think it can. This holidays will be big and after Uncharted 4 people will want more from Naughty Dog and hopefully TLOU sales get a decent boost. The game has strong legs, so that's a good sign at least.

maybe they'll tell us where it's at at e3



SkyHold on 10 February 2015
celador said:
Everything still pretty steady. Evolve does not seem to be selling X1 consoles, or selling that impressively in its' own right. I guess The Order is the main software focus now.

As expected which is why I said it was a wste of money for MS to promote Evolve.They should have saved MCC for this time period,because they need it and don't have a single notable exclusive game until September as the earliest.