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Is XB1 a failure?

Yes! 615 40.51%
 
No! 711 46.84%
 
Gimme dem numbers! 68 4.48%
 
I pity Wii U :( 121 7.97%
 
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ZarskiSold on 20 January 2015
nanarchy said:

huh? by most metrics they are actually wildly successful, they just aren't as successful as Sony this gen, your opinion that they must be first to be successful is really irrelevant to a business. both PS and XB are probably borderline on profit or loss, neither is making much money, niether is losing much money either.

you are nuts if you think that, price cuts and free games lower 3rd party sales is costing one of them big time.



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MoHasanie on 20 January 2015
Puppyroach said:
So far its a huge success for MS, but I maintain that this generation will drop off much faster than 7th Gen so total sales will be lower.

Well I wouldn't call it a huge success. It's lost money and with the deals MS offered in the holidays, the losses must have been big. 



    

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Kerotan on 20 January 2015

It's has failed massively to meet the expectations of ms. Look at all the price cuts and 180's they had to do. Plus the death of Kinect. From MS point of view a failure.



JazzB1987 on 20 January 2015

Does it generate profit? If yes then it is not a failure.

Also people should always think about this.

If there is e.g 8 million people that are willing to pay 300+ dollars to get a console then the console is still 20x more wanted than a $60 game that sells 2m times.




nanarchy on 20 January 2015
ZarskiSold said:
nanarchy said:

huh? by most metrics they are actually wildly successful, they just aren't as successful as Sony this gen, your opinion that they must be first to be successful is really irrelevant to a business. both PS and XB are probably borderline on profit or loss, neither is making much money, niether is losing much money either.

you are nuts if you think that, price cuts and free games lower 3rd party sales is costing one of them big time.

they have had a $50 price cut, The XB1 is also cheaper to produce than the PS4. The bundling has been pretty similiar so far to PS4, some bundles with one extra game which they would likely get very good deals on as obviously they don't have to pay themselves the licensing fees etc.  the 3rd party sales relative to the hardware volume sold are actually very high, they have a good attach rate. neither will be making much early in the gen, nor would they expect too.



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Uabit on 20 January 2015

Not as much as the Wii U, but it still is.



riderz13371 on 20 January 2015

In comparison to the PS4, yes.

In comparison to previous consoles from other generations, no.



Mystro-Sama on 20 January 2015

It's by no means a failure. The PS4 sales just make it look like shit.



Machiavellian on 20 January 2015

I guess if you look at a situation in the short term then yes, the X1 is not running to what MS expected or even the industry. The key is the short term. MS made short term decisions that increased the sales of their product. Cutting Kinect, cutting the price and during the holidays bundling games helped the X1 gained momentum and pretty much overturned a lot of the negative view the X1 had when it was release.

So MS bit the bullet and did what they needed to do to move the X1 consoles. Only time will tell if those decisions has lasting effects. If anything you have to give it to MS to not put their heads in the sand and hope for a better tomorrow. It really seem like they are pushing the stick forward because they have no choice. If anything it will be more interesting to see if Sony get lax then MS gain momentum.

Anyway to answer the question of the OP, Its way to soon I believe to judge success or failure for the X1. Its only just year one and thus far MS has done what was needed to change the fortune of the X1. Its usually by year 3 when you know if a product is successful or not. The X1 does not have to be number 1 to be successful ( That is for Fanboys to argue about) instead the X1 needs to be profitable, continue to gain a nice marketshare and accomplish the goals set by MS for the product.



DonFerrari on 20 January 2015
IFireflyl said:
DanneSandin said:
IFireflyl said:
DanneSandin said:

Here: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=151051&page=1#1 It's quite apparent PS3 never were far behind X360 and didn't make a huge comeback. That come back is a myth. Their only good markets are US and UK, you can't compete on those two markets alone. And remember that MS wants to earn money from XB1, and they can't make all that much from it right now

And I think you'll find that Protendo will have quite some interesting things to say about this.


You're obviously not reading the same numbers as I am. The Xbox 360 launched in November 2005. The PS3 launched in November 2006. If you think that there wasn't a huge gap in sales in that year then I can't help you. You're on the VGChartz website. Just look it up. In the first two months alone Xbox 360 sold over 1 million units. I didn't even bother totalling the next 9-10 months of 360's sold, and where PS3 sold 0 consoles.

Obviously I am. Its quite clear that PS3 started to outsell X360 (with aligned launches) from early on. This means it was just a matter of time before PS3 caught up with X360, and I believe that was in... 2011? 2012? Little by little Sony chipped away the lead MS had built up with their head start. Its all there in the charts.

anyways, if you reply again, can you please trim the quote tree? Im on my phone now and cant myself


No they did not. PS3 launched in November of 2006. They sold 394,937 consoles in November. They sold 857,103 consoles in December. The Xbox 360 (which was already ahead by a few million units before November of 2006) sold 849,098 consoles in November. They sold 2,046,655 consoles in December. The 360 had been selling for a year. When the PS3 launched people still didn't want it like they wanted the Xbox 360. Be that price, games, etc the PS3 was nowhere near the 360 in terms of sales for the beginning, even if we don't look at the year of sales the 360 did before the PS3 even came out. The PS3 was not a failure, but it had the same thing happen to it that the Xbox One did... lower starting sales. That doesn't mean failure.

 

MadCowMan said:
kowenicki said:
The fact that this question is even asked shows how ridiculous gaming forums have become.

How so??? Many said ps3 was a failure because it lost market share to 360 in some territories..... Forums are ridiculous because some say things you don't like to hear??? I doubt MS saw them losing everywhere to PS4 by this much so soon....and I doubt that is what they want, so I don't think it is that cut and dry.

 

MS did not enter this market to still be in the red and to get dominated by Sony, and comparisons to 360 are laughable at best in a much more front loaded generation.



This is a ridiculous question for the very example you gave. The console is selling well. Not as well as PS3, but that doesn't make it a failure. As you said in your example, the PS3 didn't sell as well as the 360 when it came out. That didn't make it a failure. This thread is for children who haven't learned what it takes for a business or product to succeed or fail.


Now align the sales and you will see a different story... that PS3 was never behind X360 when you align sales.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."