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spemanig said:
David_Hernandeez said:
There is a reason why I don't like Pokemon is the same thing over and over and over again there are games from Nintendo that people call "rehashes" but the only true rehashes are Pokemon games, I wish Nintendo saw the potential of the franchise, they need to be ambitious like with Zelda. There is so much potential but fans don't want change and Nintendo wants easy money without spending too much. A huge Pokemon were you can travel and see them running free and encounter them that would be cool.


The Pokemon games are not rehashes.

Yes they are. All changes have little impact on the singleplayer campaign of the game. It's still like the very first generation but with alot of little tweaks to make the game less tedious. And it's in fact worse because exploration has been dumbed down in the later games. Finding Lugia and Ho-Oh was fun, in Pokmon ORAS you get a legendary Pokémon as a freaking gift! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1BTJ3v0icE

This game looks a lot better graphically, runs with a smoother framerate and has a much more interesting combat system from the looks of it.

Only thing Pokémon does right is the online.

I wish Youkai Watch will become big in the West, but it probably won't. :(

I give Pokémon ORAS a 3/10.



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Samus Aran said:

Yes they are. All changes have little impact on the singleplayer campaign of the game. It's still like the very first generation but with alot of little tweaks to make the game less tedious. And it's in fact worse because exploration has been dumbed down in the later games. Finding Lugia and Ho-Oh was fun, in Pokmon ORAS you get a legendary Pokémon as a freaking gift! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1BTJ3v0icE

This game looks a lot better graphically, runs with a smoother framerate and has a much more interesting combat system from the looks of it.

Only thing Pokémon does right is the online.

I wish Youkai Watch will become big in the West, but it probably won't. :(

I give Pokémon ORAS a 3/10.


Do you know anything about Pokemon at all? Every game's single player campaign is different. The exploration has gotten better, not worse. And the role of legendaries in ORAS is completely different than they were in GSC. Finding Lugia and Ho-Oh wasn't "more fun" in those games. They have no impact on anything. There's nothing to getting them in those games. You literally have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.



i dont think it means anything for pokemon



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PwerlvlAmy said:
i dont think it means anything for pokemon


It means literally everything for Pokemon.



Sounds like a good idea on paper, but believe me, if anyone knows how to milk an endless golden cow...it's Nintendo. If they feel that Pokemon can successfully be taken in a new direction, they'll do it. They aren't where you are right now in terms of game design. The question then is, is that a good or bad thing.



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Materia-Blade said:
curl-6 said:
Only Nintendo would have a Gigaton like the long desired Pokemon MMORPG staring them in the face and shy away from it.
Since 2011 they have developed a potent dislike of money.

Pokemon is already an mmo though.

In what way? MMO stands for "Massively Multiplayer Online". An MMO is a game like FF14 or WoW, where you have hundreds/thousands of unique players interacting in a single game world (server). Nintendo have never made anything like that. If they had i'd be playing it right now :p



Ljink96 said:
Sounds like a good idea on paper, but believe me, if anyone knows how to milk an endless golden cow...it's Nintendo. If they feel that Pokemon can successfully be taken in a new direction, they'll do it. They aren't where you are right now in terms of game design. The question then is, is that a good or bad thing.


The thing is, it's not some "new direction." It's just Pokemon making the next natural progression. JRPGs have been doing it for years already on consoles. Final Fantasy has done it years ago some extent and finally to it's fullest extent. Pokemon will finally have the hardware to get it done after the 3DS, so it's past time that Pokemon actually makes that final evolution. (sorry)

They already have the foundation laid out. They have 700+ Pokemon fully modeled with animations already. All they'd need to do is polish those up for the next handheld, as opposed to completely starting from scratch. They have cutscene after cutscene with every character and Pokemon done to scale to make those seem more "epic." They need to finally take that it's fullest and make the whole game that way.



spemanig said:
Samus Aran said:

Yes they are. All changes have little impact on the singleplayer campaign of the game. It's still like the very first generation but with alot of little tweaks to make the game less tedious. And it's in fact worse because exploration has been dumbed down in the later games. Finding Lugia and Ho-Oh was fun, in Pokmon ORAS you get a legendary Pokémon as a freaking gift! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1BTJ3v0icE

This game looks a lot better graphically, runs with a smoother framerate and has a much more interesting combat system from the looks of it.

Only thing Pokémon does right is the online.

I wish Youkai Watch will become big in the West, but it probably won't. :(

I give Pokémon ORAS a 3/10.


Do you know anything about Pokemon at all? Every game's single player campaign is different. The exploration has gotten better, not worse. And the role of legendaries in ORAS is completely different than they were in GSC. Finding Lugia and Ho-Oh wasn't "more fun" in those games. They have no impact on anything. There's nothing to getting them in those games. You literally have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Every campaign you collect 8 badges from mono-type gymleaders (easy), occasionly interupted by a one dimensional evil team of evil idiots in a lame story, then you fight the elite four and the champion, the end. The games are linear as fuck and you can never get lost. Legendary pokémon being shoehorned into the story takes away every attempt of finding them yourself and feeling accomplished. You can beat the entire game with one pokémon and spamming the same attack over and over again. The ai is just as dumb as in gen 1. Oh and Snorlack blocks your path, real original.



spemanig said:
Ljink96 said:
Sounds like a good idea on paper, but believe me, if anyone knows how to milk an endless golden cow...it's Nintendo. If they feel that Pokemon can successfully be taken in a new direction, they'll do it. They aren't where you are right now in terms of game design. The question then is, is that a good or bad thing.


The thing is, it's not some "new direction." It's just Pokemon making the next natural progression. JRPGs have been doing it for years already on consoles. Final Fantasy has done it years ago some extent and finally to it's fullest extent. Pokemon will finally have the hardware to get it done after the 3DS, so it's past time that Pokemon actually makes that final evolution. (sorry)

They already have the foundation laid out. They have 700+ Pokemon fully modeled with animations already. All they'd need to do is polish those up for the next handheld, as opposed to completely starting from scratch. They have cutscene after cutscene with every character and Pokemon done to scale to make those seem more "epic." They need to finally take that it's fullest and make the whole game that way.

I understand that the 3DS does have its limitations and with Xeno that some of those will be lifted but even if they are, Nintendo isn't one to change the formula if it isn't working out very well. Yeah, logically it sounds good design wise but financial wise is all that matters to Nintendo. I'm just devils advocate and Nintendo's spirit man because that's what they're thinking.



Samus Aran said:

Every campaign you collect 8 badges from mono-type gymleaders (easy), occasionly interupted by a one dimensional evil team of evil idiots in a lame story, then you fight the elite four and the champion, the end. The games are linear as fuck and you can never get lost. Legendary pokémon being shoehorned into the story takes away every attempt of finding them yourself and feeling accomplished. You can beat the entire game with one pokémon and spamming the same attack over and over again. The ai is just as dumb as in gen 1. Oh and Snorlack blocks your path, real original.


Again, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Pokemon can not be accurately summarized like that, just like how you can't summarize every Metroid game as "You explore an unknown place, fight alien wild life, and recollect the same power ups Samus couldn't use at the beginning of the game for some stupid reason. Fight a couple bosses, something self destructs, the end." The games are supposed to be linear and you're not supposed to get lost. What are you even talking about? This isn't Zelda. Pokemon isn't an exploration game.

Legendaries aren't "shoe horned" into anything. They are integral to the ecosystem of the entire Pokemon universe. They are more than simple "super strong Pokemon" not. They have complex roles that intertwine deeply with the lore of each other and the entire Pokemon world. You're not supposed to "feel accomplished" catching and finding them. That stopped being a thing with "gotta catch em all."

You absolutely can not beat the entire game "with one pokémon and spamming the same attack over and over again," short of using easy mode Pokemon like a legendary or over leveling, which you can literally do in every single JRPG.