disolitude said:
Stever89 said:
famousringo said:
disolitude said:
I refuse to count Mario and Sonic olympics as 3rd party. Sorry... I guess i missed carnival games...on purpose probably as I did not want to embarass the wii in saying thats a million seller. :) |
I'm sure that if you tried a little harder, you could find an excuse to disqualify all those million sellers... |
fam, I don't think he's trying purposely to eliminate million sellers. Though on the same note... Disolitude: Go look through PS2 million sellers. I bet you'd be embarassed to admit that the PS2 had some of those million sellers. My personal favorites are Scooby Doo: 100 Frights at 1.72 million, and the two SpongeBob games at 1.5 million and 1.3 million or something like that. The only difference is that the PS2 had other games worthy (or... "unworthy" depending on how you look at it) of reaching a million, whereas the Wii mostly only has "unworthly" games. And when I say "unworthly" all I really mean is that the game is not considered a game or is mocked because it doesn't seem like a game that should sell well. Somebody must enjoy Carnival games because it launched at 35k sales in NA. Once there are enough good games that should sell a million, it won't be as bad that a game like Carnival Games made it to a million. Note: I haven't actually played Carnival Games, so I can't say if it really does deserve to sell a million, because I can't say how good the game really is. It is a discount title, so that might have something to do with it. |
You are completely right. When I think about it, congrats to Carnival games...they probably made more with that game than Edios and Midway combined last year. Thats no different than most EA and activision games and their reason for existance. I was thinking a month ago if I should sell my wii as it doesn't seem like anyone is going to go big on it other than Nintendo... but ima keep it as I still think someone is going to step up and make the ultimate AAA, not for kids, action adventure wii experience. When I bought it I thought these small companies (like treasure) will come and release inventive games for it to add a little depth to the usual Mario/Zelda offerings but it wasn't the case. Its almost like nintendo doesn't seem to want them to make games for the wii... Come on Reggie, send Konami some Nintendo t-shirts and hats. :) |
So you don't obviously "get" Carnival Games. It was as guaranteed million seller, as EA:s yearly NHL, FIFA, Madden updates. I mean have you ever been in a carnival, circus of funfair? This is what the game offers. And since it's on Wii, it has this simple and fun way to play it - just what the carnival games IRL are about. So the game has mass appeal. Besides, it was even released on 35€ budget price. When you look at the consept, it really does deserve more than NHL 08 for example.
Haven't played the game either, but considering it's pricepoint, it can hardly be considered as milking.
Devs flocked to PSX because of the low cost of developement and eventually when sales picked up, for the huge installbase. History does repeate itself.
What Nintendo did with NES and high requirements, was preventing the industry crashing again, with what Atari had a lot to with having basically no control of games released on its platform, which finally 2 generations later ended hurting Nintendo itself. So yes, after Nintendo did what had to be done, it kicked 3rd parties to the nuts, until they kicked back.
But as you may understand, devs best interests and gamers best interests are not the same thing. While gamers complain about shovelware, devs are nothing but happy happy joy joy about this great goldmine. And when gamers are happy for console manufacturer preventing shovelware on their platform, devs complain how they are mistreated.
As you obviously have noticed, how varied the Wiis userbase is, it means that you can sell more different types of games on Wii, that you can sell on 360. A shooter for Wii isn't going to sell with a similar attach rate that it sells on 360, but since Wii is making gap to 360, it means that the userbase is going to be so big, that even the shooters sell better on Wii, despite smaller attach rate. And one thing to notice, is that 360 have had budget priced games the whole last year, when first budget priced games appeared on Wii this year.
If you look at best selling games on Wii, you notice that quite a lot of different types of games can sell on Wii to make hefty profit. And if you are able to make 2/3 of the profit per a Wii game, that you make with one PS360 game, you are able to make 2 Wii games in the in the same amount of time it takes to develope one PS360 game. Which means that you make bigger profit with Wii overall.
