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Who will be the next president?

Hillary Clinton 47 51.09%
 
Joe Biden 3 3.26%
 
Martin O'Mally 0 0%
 
Mitt Romney 5 5.43%
 
Jeb Bush 5 5.43%
 
Chris Christie 2 2.17%
 
Rand Paul 15 16.30%
 
Marco Rubio 3 3.26%
 
Scott Walker 0 0%
 
Other 12 13.04%
 
Total:92
badgenome said:
Stop it, Mitt! Just stop it!

If this comes down to Bush vs. Clinton I am moving somewhere far, far away.

If it comes to Bush vs. Clinton I shall spam the whole internet with the following picture



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WolfpackN64 said:
You know, US politics would be more interesting if the voting system was revised so more parties could come to power.


that would be nice... or at least make it so that everybodies vote actually counts instead of just the people who live in a handful of states...



badgenome said:
gergroy said:

only lately, historically incumbants have gotten knocked out quite a bit.  I'm thinking more of the primary anyway.  Republicans who have run before generally have a better chance with a second run...

Christie still has too much charisma and probably too much of an ego to be the sacrificial lamb. In that kind of a situation Republicans like to go with some respectable old stiff who doesn't have a hope in hell and whose "turn" it is. My money's on John McCain's corpse in 2020.



Mr Khan said:

As an older woman, she has the advantage of it being harder for them to get misogynist memes to stick, i think. I mean, in terms of "demographics which are distrusted", we got a black man elected, why not an old white woman?

For one thing having a black man was "transformational". It got non-whites generally and especially blacks very excited. Black participation for probably the first time ever was higher than their share of the general population. Nobody is going to get excited about an old white woman.

I know the conventional wisdom of identity politics is that, well, if blacks get excited by a black guy then women will get excited about a woman. But I don't think the idea that women are going to vote for a woman holds water. Women are already more of the voting electorate than men, but men are overwhelmingly overrepresented in office. And in my experience women fucking hate other women, especially one who is doing better than they are. No woman in politics is going to be the avatar for all women. They are just too biologically envious of one another.



badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

As an older woman, she has the advantage of it being harder for them to get misogynist memes to stick, i think. I mean, in terms of "demographics which are distrusted", we got a black man elected, why not an old white woman?

For one thing having a black man was "transformational". It got non-whites generally and especially blacks very excited. Black participation for probably the first time ever was higher than their share of the general population. Nobody is going to get excited about an old white woman.

I know the conventional wisdom of identity politics is that, well, if blacks get excited by a black guy then women will get excited about a woman. But I don't think the idea that women are going to vote for a woman holds water. Women are already more of the voting electorate than men, but men are overwhelmingly overrepresented in office. And in my experience women fucking hate other women, especially one who is doing better than they are. No woman in politics is going to be the avatar for all women. They are just too biologically envious of one another.

Right, but i don't see there being a *negative* response against Hillary in an identity-politics framework. It may not help, but how could it hurt?



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Mr Khan said:
Warren has declared she won't run. Bernie Sanders, meanwhile, is looking on the Democratic side.

O'Malley can try if he wants, but losing a blue state like Maryland, even if in a Republican wave year, is really going to hurt his ability to get others to believe in him.

It'll be Clinton against somebody like Sanders who will lurch to her left. Biden, possibly, if Sanders really fizzles.

On the right, i'm surprised Paul Ryan declared he was out. Bush, Romney, and Walker look like their big three. Christie, possibly, if Bridgegate from the left and his (in)famous photo with Obama after superstorm Sandy from the right don't leave him dead in the water. Moderates will see a governor who functions like a mafia thug, while Partiers will only see that photo.


I don't see Sanders even registering as more than a blip in the primaries.  O'Malley is definitely going to try, but he is also definitely going to fail.  There really isn't anybody on the democrat side that I can see coming even close to Clinton.  Howard Dean might end up being her biggest competition... which is pretty sad...



gergroy said:
Mr Khan said:
Warren has declared she won't run. Bernie Sanders, meanwhile, is looking on the Democratic side.

O'Malley can try if he wants, but losing a blue state like Maryland, even if in a Republican wave year, is really going to hurt his ability to get others to believe in him.

It'll be Clinton against somebody like Sanders who will lurch to her left. Biden, possibly, if Sanders really fizzles.

On the right, i'm surprised Paul Ryan declared he was out. Bush, Romney, and Walker look like their big three. Christie, possibly, if Bridgegate from the left and his (in)famous photo with Obama after superstorm Sandy from the right don't leave him dead in the water. Moderates will see a governor who functions like a mafia thug, while Partiers will only see that photo.


I don't see Sanders even registering as more than a blip in the primaries.  O'Malley is definitely going to try, but he is also definitely going to fail.  There really isn't anybody on the democrat side that I can see coming even close to Clinton.  Howard Dean might end up being her biggest competition... which is pretty sad...

I disagree. There are a lot of Democrats who are getting sick and tired of third way shenanigans (which took over the Left under Clinton) and want to go back to actual leftist policies. Someone is going to take on that mantle and be the person who challenges Hillary from the left.



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gergroy said:
WolfpackN64 said:
You know, US politics would be more interesting if the voting system was revised so more parties could come to power.


that would be nice... or at least make it so that everybodies vote actually counts instead of just the people who live in a handful of states...

It's actually very simple, get rid of the electoral college, it's very undemocratic and the 'winner takes all' system nullifies everyone who didn't vote for the winning party.



Would love to see Elizabeth Warren run for president but there is a slim to no chance of it happening. Plus she probably would have close to no chance of winning if she would run.



Mr Khan said:

Right, but i don't see there being a *negative* response against Hillary in an identity-politics framework. It may not help, but how could it hurt?

Well, whites are trending ever more Republican, so if the Democrats' increasingly minority centric base is as enthused about voting as they usually are when Obama isn't on the ticket, it could be trouble.