Splatoon manages to enter the list more than 6 month after release. Really shows the inkredible legs of that game.
Why no more New IP list anymore?
No Minecraft U numbers?
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| Bofferbrauer said: Splatoon manages to enter the list more than 6 month after release. Really shows the inkredible legs of that game. Why no more New IP list anymore? |
I might add the new IP list again at some point, but the problem with it is in determining what is or isn't a new IP. For example do I add Shadow of Mordor or Alien: Isolation even though they are using pre-existing IPs (Lord of the Rings and Alien) for new games? Would I add Hyrule Warriors even though it just uses Legend of Zelda characters with a Dynasty Warriors gameplay? If I could get a definitive list I'd probably re-add a new IPs list.
| slab_of_bacon said: No Minecraft U numbers? |
VGChartz isn't tracking Minecraft U numbers yet, so I can add any numbers for it.
A_C_E said:
Your joking right? Dominating the charts? The first Nintendo title on that list is in 8th place. AW, Fifa and GTA V sales are spread over multiple consoles yet when you include just the PS4 they're sales are still higher than any Nintendo exclusive. Impressive considering how many units Nintendo exclusives sell. Nintendo had multiple 10 million sellers last gen but they've yet to have a title sell half that...and you say the reason why they should not worry is because they have a couple exlcusive titles that have sold more than other exclusive titles? Also, yes, MS is making a pretty buck off the PS4. This is why I love MS because they make money from alot of their competitors. |
considering the userbase on the Wii U its exclusives sell insanely well
having 50% of userbase buying certain games practically always is pretty wild. the other poster is right in that Nintendo can find comfort with that. if they have a system that's even double as successful as the Wii U next generation then (if the trends continue) their software numbers will be killer again
Nintendo always has done a great job at selling a lot of software regardless of if their console is at the top or not. bear in mind they made MORE from their video game division in practically every generation than their competitors have been capable of. I don't even think Microsoft has ever really made profit from the Xbox. even in the era of the GAMECUBE vs. PS2, despite selling like 1/5 (or less) hardware Nintendo made more money from then than Sony did with the PS2.
they are fantastic at pushing software and pulling great numbers in terms of profit
A_C_E said:
But Nintendo doesn't make a fraction of what MS and Sony make off of third party titles overall. Nintendo's first party exclusives are developed and published by Nintendo themselves meaning they are the ones spending money on making that project which is typically millions upon millions of dollars. MS & Sony CHARGE third party developers to develop on their respected consoles and don't have to spend any money on the development or publishing of the software. Sony also makes a pretty penny off of the Bluray platform. Third party software is hugely successful on PS4 and MS' third party sales are MUCH higher than the Wii U's. So no, just because Nintendo has a couple exclusives that sell higer than a couple of other exclusives doesn't mean that Nintendo shouldn't worry. Look, our revenue, profits, software sales, hardware sales, accessory sales are all down from last generation by massive percentages BUT!!!! we have a couple of exclusives that have yet to sell 5 million units BUT!!!!!! they have sold more than other exclusives in this generation soooo...no need to worry, all we wanted was to have higher selling exclusives. |
you have no idea what you are talking about
Nintendo most likely is not making much less profit this generation (when considering the 3DS + Wii U) than Sony is from the PS4 despite the PS4 dominating the market
the reality is that Nintendo does push a lot of software despite low hardware sales in this case, and that in the end they have some of the best margins in their business in all of the video game industry
you can sell a kajillion software but if you don't make much profit its useless. and you're wrong, Sony doesn't make THAT much off of third party games when compared to first part, which is why they've been pushing lately to bring back a lot of their IP
bear in mind that Nintendo made MORE profit during the PS2/Gamecube era than Sony did from their video game division, despite Sony dominating then as well.
| mountaindewslave said: considering the userbase on the Wii U its exclusives sell insanely well having 50% of userbase buying certain games practically always is pretty wild. the other poster is right in that Nintendo can find comfort with that. if they have a system that's even double as successful as the Wii U next generation then (if the trends continue) their software numbers will be killer again Nintendo always has done a great job at selling a lot of software regardless of if their console is at the top or not. bear in mind they made MORE from their video game division in practically every generation than their competitors have been capable of. I don't even think Microsoft has ever really made profit from the Xbox. even in the era of the GAMECUBE vs. PS2, despite selling like 1/5 (or less) hardware Nintendo made more money from then than Sony did with the PS2. they are fantastic at pushing software and pulling great numbers in terms of profit |
Considering the size of the userbase on the Wii U their software is incredible, I don't disagree with that. And yes Nintendo has always done a great job selling software and mainting profits even over their competitors during Nintendo's worst times. The Gamecube era is a perfect example of how Nintendo is able to churn out just as much (sometimes even more) profit than Sony did with PS2.
| mountaindewslave said: you have no idea what you are talking about Nintendo most likely is not making much less profit this generation (when considering the 3DS + Wii U) than Sony is from the PS4 despite the PS4 dominating the market the reality is that Nintendo does push a lot of software despite low hardware sales in this case, and that in the end they have some of the best margins in their business in all of the video game industry you can sell a kajillion software but if you don't make much profit its useless. and you're wrong, Sony doesn't make THAT much off of third party games when compared to first part, which is why they've been pushing lately to bring back a lot of their IP bear in mind that Nintendo made MORE profit during the PS2/Gamecube era than Sony did from their video game division, despite Sony dominating then as well. |
You say I don't know what I'm talking about yet you're making up reasons why Sony is pushing first party development...ok. The real reason Sony began pushing first party development was due to the PS3's failure to launch with great 3rd party software due to the architecture of Teh Cell. This was a problem for Sony for a couple years which forced Sony to rely more on first party development, much like Nintendo does now. When you don't have much third party development you have to have good first party development which is why Nintendo is smart to never stop producing it. Sony, since the PS1 days, has always been about third party support and this should never change.
I can assure you, I know what I'm talking about. But lets continue.
Yes Nintendo has sold a lot of software in comparison to how much hardware sold, yada yada yada. We agree on this.
So you're saying Nintendo's 3DS and Wii U is making just as much profit as Sony is with the PS4. This being true does not negate Nintendo's financials. Nintendo was formed in the 1880's and has been profitable every single year until the last couple of years. When you have investors relying on a company to produce their salaries and that company is losing money...that's not something you just sit back on and go, "Hey, at least we sold more exclusive software then those other companies". That type of response would have the Nintendo president fired immediately.
When billions of software WILL be sold on your system, Sony would take the money made from every single copy sold than rely on their first party sales. If those thrid party sales aren't happening Sony will spend more on publishing first/second party titles ala PS3. There is a reason why Sony consoles typically dominate the market and it works out both ways for them.
I'm positive it will work out for Nintendo in the end and that's because they know why they had a couple years where they were losing money. They are a traditional company that knows how to make profits and they know what works for them. But success isn't guaranteed so to think Nintendo shouldn't worry or that they are dominating the charts...pff, whatever.