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huiii on 06 January 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:
huiii said:
I ran into a similar problem.
He does decent enough damage with some upgrades but not as much as i want him to. I don't like serra and will never put her in my party but i'm considering cole.

My party is 1warrior, 2 mages, 1 rogue.
I really like the doubble mages. Makes it possible to almost always have a barrier up (unless dorian casts them at the wrong person) to soak up all the damage.


I was thinking about a two warrior, two mage run next round. Thats too much power to pass up. Heh


Was thinking about that as well, but i couldn't pass on a rogue because whenever there is a locked door i want to know what's behind it.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 06 January 2015
Neodegenerate said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

My hats off to you. My first playthrough is on Normal with a rogue. Its found it easier to drop him because I was a rogue and I needed a rogue on the bow with proper dps while i'm at level 10. Thanks to the battle system I can negotiate plans without having my characters cornered for nothing. I'll probably try that during either my mage playthrough on hard or my warrior playthrough on nightmare.


I was running as a Knight Enchanter Mage with Solas, Cassandra, and Varric for my main group most of the time.  Once I got the points to fully upgrade Knight Enchanter, it really didn't matter who I had with me.  Class is broken as hell.

Yeah, I noticed that once you get to certain levels the system is fully exploitable, if you're not dealing with dragons or giants. I'm almost at level 11 with Sera by my side and I'm cleaning house. If I used two warriors it would exploit how broken the system of the game is.



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 January 2015
Angelus said:
Give him daggers. The upgrades Bianca gets are decent but can't compete with the highest tier of bows in the game.


I'm already a Rogue with two daggers. He would only get in the way. If I am going to play with two rogues, its a good thing this game lets you fight in two different ways just like warriors. The good thing about mages is you can mix and match attributes better than anyone else. It makes you the ultimate mage. I cannot wait until the special attack tree becomes unlocked like in Dragon Age 2 so I can really wreck things.



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 January 2015
huiii said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


I was thinking about a two warrior, two mage run next round. Thats too much power to pass up. Heh


Was thinking about that as well, but i couldn't pass on a rogue because whenever there is a locked door i want to know what's behind it.

True enough. 



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 January 2015
Hiku said:

I don't really notice if my party members are doing well or not, except for Cassandra, because I don't use the tactical system or switch to them. I just let them do their own thing while I do mine.
I think I'm playing on Normal, or whatever is above Easy.

I'm a Mage and about to chose my specialization. I hear Knight Enchanter is super broken, and Rift Mage might suit my style better, so I'm not sure what to pick yet.

Anyway, I always bring Varric with me for his conversations. He's a lot more interesting than Sera, so I'd pick Varric over her even if he's dragging down my team.
One thing I learned from Pokemon. "Use the pokemons you like, not the ones who are the strongest."

I also use Cassandra and Dorian for the same reasons. Although Cassandra is noticeably good.


You being a ranged character makes sense as to why you dont really need to strategize. Mages and archers are definitely needed to be focused into key points with their weapons. Rogues only need flank and surprise their opponent to survive but in this game its better to program those decisions into the character to get the best result because they leave the close quarters rogue customization up to you. The archer style rogue comes stock with distance attacks since all of the stock rogue characters who company you are distance attackers. I get what you're saying, though. The thing about most of the conversations that count in this game is either everything so far is said in haven that matters or its said in the warroom. Everyone says I need to get to skyhold, so i'll just try to do that before I decide whether Varric is useless. I still talk to him though. 

Thanks.

:)



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LemonSlice on 06 January 2015

Sera FTW, in more ways than just combat.



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 January 2015
Hiku said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Hiku said:

I don't really notice if my party members are doing well or not, except for Cassandra, because I don't use the tactical system or switch to them. I just let them do their own thing while I do mine.
I think I'm playing on Normal, or whatever is above Easy.

I'm a Mage and about to chose my specialization. I hear Knight Enchanter is super broken, and Rift Mage might suit my style better, so I'm not sure what to pick yet.

Anyway, I always bring Varric with me for his conversations. He's a lot more interesting than Sera, so I'd pick Varric over her even if he's dragging down my team.
One thing I learned from Pokemon. "Use the pokemons you like, not the ones who are the strongest."

I also use Cassandra and Dorian for the same reasons. Although Cassandra is noticeably good.


You being a ranged character makes sense as to why you dont really need to strategize. Mages and archers are definitely needed to be focused into key points with their weapons. Rogues only need flank and surprise their opponent to survive but in this game its better to program those decisions into the character to get the best result because they leave the close quarters rogue customization up to you. The archer style rogue comes stock with distance attacks since all of the stock rogue characters who company you are distance attackers. I get what you're saying, though. The thing about most of the conversations that count in this game is either everything so far is said in haven that matters or its said in the warroom. Everyone says I need to get to skyhold, so i'll just try to do that before I decide whether Varric is useless. I still talk to him though. 

Thanks.

:)

Well I don't know about conversations that count, but the ones I'm refering to are the ones said out in the feild, where characters some time randomly engage in conversation. Varrik and Cassandra tend to have some interesting banter going on between them for example. How they speak and what they say can add to why I like the character. And it's just more pleasant to have them around, knowing that if they do strike up a conversation, it will probably be something I'm interestted in. Where's where Sera starts talking, I have no idea what she's saying...


Makes sense. They do make good company. Those are mostly filler conversations. In this specific Dragon Age the more meaningful conversations can be had with anyone back at Haven after missions or with the council at the war table. i cannot wait for the conversations at skyhold. It will be so epic.



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 January 2015
Hiku said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Makes sense. They do make good company. Those are mostly filler conversations. In this specific Dragon Age the more meaningful conversations can be had with anyone back at Haven after missions or with the council at the war table. i cannot wait for the conversations at skyhold. It will be so epic.

You mean when you walk up to them in Haven or Skyhold and click on them to start a conversation?


Yeah, generally after missions, just like Mass Effect. Unless its during or after a mission its usually just filler information.



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 January 2015
Hiku said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Yeah, generally after missions, just like Mass Effect. Unless its during or after a mission its usually just filler information.

Yeah, I like those. Usually check with everyone after clearing a new area, or some major story event happened.
But is this somehow affected by which party members you have with you out on missions?


Unless varric is involved in a main mission like Dorian was at the war table where he speaks to you, it matters little. You can always come back and speak to him after a mission. Technically they are all on the mission with you, so you can talk to all of them about how they felt about the mission and how they are going to move on after it, etc. Sera is just so annoying though..lol. Dorian and Iron Bull are with me and at this point they might as well set up camp and just have sex. LOL The flirting is too much.