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Forums - Nintendo - When will Bayonetta 2 hit a million? Weighing the risk vs the reward.

zorg1000 on 04 January 2015
TheWPCTraveler said:
tuyiooo said:
TheWPCTraveler said:
mine said:
MadWorld sold 750k? Amazing if true.

Then Bayo 2 will sell more then 2 mio lifetime...

That's on a far larger userbase, though I say that a lot of those weren't exactly the target demographic.

The fact that bayonetta 1+2 managed to sell 450k bar digital is amazing, I must say, considering how niche it is.


But Other M didn´t outsold Fusion, Super Metroid or any of the MEtroid Primes even when it was released on the Wii, the Fire Emblem and Kirby Wii games are not the best selling entries in their franchises either.

Other M and FE: Radiant Dawn weren't exactly received as well, though. Radiant Dawn, however, is about as hard to find nowadays as Xenoblade.

Besides, Bayonetta 2 was a sequel to a game on an entirely different set of platforms, and whose audience damn well wasn't going to bother with the Wii U to begin with.

His point was that the massive install base of Wii didn't cause many franchises to see exceptional growth compared to their N64/GC counterparts.

Kirby, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Battalion Wars, Paper Mario, Animal Crossing, 3D Mario, Donkey Kong, Mario Sports, Zelda all sold roughly the same as previous installments. Mario Kart & 2D Mario were the only ones be see crazy huge numbers while Mario Party 8 and Smash Bros had rather large growth as well. The common element in these games is simultaneous 4-player multiplayer, or in other terms party games.



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Materia-Blade on 04 January 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
I doubt it will. Although even if it did it wouldn't really prove 3rd party games can sell on Wii U. It isn't like the typical 3rd party game, it is about as niche as can be, so means nothing for potential sales for the vast majority of 3rd party games.

Oh and having how much it's currently sold in the OP would be helpful

So, you're saying the game is niche and that if it sells 1m+ it doesn't mean anything for "non niche" titles? quite contradictory.



Materia-Blade on 04 January 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
Materia-Blade said:

So, you're saying the game is niche and that if it sells 1m+ it doesn't mean anything for "non niche" titles? quite contradictory.

Yeah I'm saying the game is niche. It's not contradictory though, it would show the console has a large market for that particular niche and that other similar games would probaly also do well, but it does nothing to show that games that don't fit that niche would sell there.

it doesn't show the opposite either.



Materia-Blade on 04 January 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
Materia-Blade said:

it doesn't show the opposite either.

It doesn't show that they will sell badly? Yeah, that's true as well. But people already think they won't sell that well so this wouldn't really do much to change their minds.

why would someone think that?



Materia-Blade on 04 January 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
Materia-Blade said:

why would someone think that?

These are the reasons why.

27. Assassin's Creed III 2012 Action Ubisoft 0.15 0.12 0.00 0.03 0.30
29. Sonic Lost World 2013 Platform Sega 0.18 0.08 0.01 0.02 0.28
30. The Wonderful 101 2013 Action Nintendo 0.14 0.06 0.06 0.02 0.28
31. Call of Duty: Black Ops II 2012 Shooter Activision 0.16 0.09 0.00 0.02 0.27
33. Batman: Arkham City 2012 Action Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.11 0.11 0.00 0.02 0.25
34. FIFA Soccer 13 2012 Action Electronic Arts 0.09 0.13 0.00 0.02 0.24
36. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag 2013 Action Ubisoft 0.14 0.07 0.00 0.02 0.23
38. Call of Duty: Ghosts 2013 Shooter Activision 0.15 0.04 0.01 0.02 0.22
41. Batman: Arkham Origins 2013 Action Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.14 0.05 0.00 0.02 0.21
43. Mass Effect 3 2012 Role-Playing Electronic Arts 0.11 0.07 0.00 0.02 0.19

Either 3rd party exlusives that didn't do very well or multi plats that sold much more on PS/Xbox. I know there are reasons for some of them (not as good as other versions, late ports etc) but the point is they aren't selling well and there is nothing there to suggest future games will.

it was a retorical qustion meaning? most thirds from most genres didn't show up on wii u yet. therefore, no one has a reason to think they can't sell.



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Paatar on 05 January 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
Materia-Blade said:
Ka-pi96 said:
Materia-Blade said:

it doesn't show the opposite either.

It doesn't show that they will sell badly? Yeah, that's true as well. But people already think they won't sell that well so this wouldn't really do much to change their minds.

why would someone think that?

These are the reasons why.

27. Assassin's Creed III 2012 Action Ubisoft 0.15 0.12 0.00 0.03 0.30
29. Sonic Lost World 2013 Platform Sega 0.18 0.08 0.01 0.02 0.28
30. The Wonderful 101 2013 Action Nintendo 0.14 0.06 0.06 0.02 0.28
31. Call of Duty: Black Ops II 2012 Shooter Activision 0.16 0.09 0.00 0.02 0.27
33. Batman: Arkham City 2012 Action Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.11 0.11 0.00 0.02 0.25
34. FIFA Soccer 13 2012 Action Electronic Arts 0.09 0.13 0.00 0.02 0.24
36. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag 2013 Action Ubisoft 0.14 0.07 0.00 0.02 0.23
38. Call of Duty: Ghosts 2013 Shooter Activision 0.15 0.04 0.01 0.02 0.22
41. Batman: Arkham Origins 2013 Action Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.14 0.05 0.00 0.02 0.21
43. Mass Effect 3 2012 Role-Playing Electronic Arts 0.11 0.07 0.00 0.02 0.19

Either 3rd party exlusives that didn't do very well or multi plats that sold much more on PS/Xbox. I know there are reasons for some of them (not as good as other versions, late ports etc) but the point is they aren't selling well and there is nothing there to suggest future games will.


Considering every PORT on that list is basically super late and not good, it is no shock they do not sell well.

The irony is that Ubisoft themselves said and I quote *Wii U owners only like Just Dance games* yet their highest selling game is ZombiU with .78m sales and is exclusive to the Wii U and is still selling. The next on the system is Rayman Legends (.44m) which was only outsold by the PS3 version by 100k (PS3 version has sold abbout .54m.

Also consider the fact that PS3 has sold 84million consoles, while Wii U is currently at 8.5 million. The Wii U has a MUCH higher install base.

The point of this is that the games do well, WHEN THEY ARE DELIVERED.



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