It wasn't its fault that Sega didn't had the money to keep it. It sold 8M+ from 1998 to 2001 and, if Sega had conditions to keep going, it could have outsold GC and XB. I consider that the poor thing had to be the sucessor of the Saturn, that really was a terrible console.

Yep, I just want one reason that Nintendo going 3rd party would not benefit the entire industry. Think about it, more people get to enjoy great games, Nintendo's developers don't have to be stuck working on weaker hardware, they don't have to rack their brains to figure what to do with the gamepad, they can have a better online infrastructure, Nintendo themselves get to make more money because they're not making losses from the WiiU anymore. I mean let's face it, people buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games. I honestly don't think Nintendo makes very good hardware. Most of their systems feel kind of cheap.

The hard truth is that without 3rd party support Nintendo can't compete in the console space anymore, and I don't see them getting publishers back on board. Some will label me a Nintendo hater, but that isn't entirely true. I just don't see any logical reason Nintendo going 3rd party wouldn't benefit everyone.

Thoughts?

Yep, I just want one reason that Nintendo going 3rd party would not benefit the entire industry. Think about it, more people get to enjoy great games, Nintendo's developers don't have to be stuck working on weaker hardware, they don't have to rack their brains to figure what to do with the gamepad, they can have a better online infrastructure, Nintendo themselves get to make more money because they're not making losses from the WiiU anymore. I mean let's face it, people buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games. I honestly don't think Nintendo makes very good hardware. Most of their systems feel kind of cheap.

The hard truth is that without 3rd party support Nintendo can't compete in the console space anymore, and I don't see them getting publishers back on board. Some will label me a Nintendo hater, but that isn't entirely true. I just don't see any logical reason Nintendo going 3rd party wouldn't benefit everyone.

Thoughts?

That first sentence is why this whole argument is stupid and this thread should be locked. This isn't socialism, and Nintendo doesn't owe it to you or anyone to go third party and "benefit the entire industry." If that were the case, Sony should have went third party after two to three years of being down in the dumps with the PS3.

Also, Nintendo is no longer losing money on the WIi U. If you're saying it should go 3P based on that, then again, Sony should have gone third party after the PS3 and MS should have gone third party from... the very beginning, because its Xbox brand hasn't made it a penny, ever.

I'm not labeling you a Nintendo hater, by the way. I just think you should spend more than five seconds meditating on that thought that comes to your head before making a thread on it.

I'll just give out a general rebuttal rather than reply individually. I think Nintendo hurts the industry based on the following:

1. Wii almost killed what other more serious companies had tried to do for the video game medium. It forced both Sony and MS to divert resources into motion controllers which invariably failed. I mean Kinect almost single-handedly sunk the XB1.

-More serious? funny statement. It forced ? Nintendo didn't force anyone, Sony and Microsoft did it themselves, and Kinect for XONE was a move made by your more serious company, not Nintendo as they left motion control to go with the touch screen gamepad... 

2. In the same wake, the Wii U gamepad has done nothing to gaming. In fact, it has just alienated gamers. We don't want gimmicks. We want a true gaming revolution like VR. The medium of video games as an art channel is held back by Nintendo's insistence on weak hardware. Graphics will be a defining factor in the industry. With better graphics we will have better immersion. For example we can express human emotions better and more clearly with advanced graphics.

-Many like the Wii U gamepad, I think its fine and useful

-VR may end up being a gimmick just like motion control, what do you think will be the input in a VR world? A controler or a device with motion/voice controls... You could be suprised how gimmicky it may end up.

-We could say the same things with good gameplay see:  Gameplay will be a defining factor in the industry. With better gameplay we will have better immersion. AHHH that sounds good to me! You know I find that books is better to express the human emotion and there is no graphics there... Tell me a good story and the emotions will come. I see grafics as special effects in a movie, it needs to "support" the story not "replace the story"

3. It forces consumers to purchase two consoles, one for HD, third-party games, and one to almost exclusively play Nintendo games only. It's like buying two very expensive blu-ray players because one only plays studio exclusives. And the same argument does NOT apply to PS4 v XB1 because their value propositions are far superior to the Wii U alone. And you don't have to buy both but you have to buy a Wii U and something else if you want third party games.

-Buy a PC for games not available on consoles and for superior graphical quality for third party games because a PC value propositions is far superior to PS4/XONE and you will only have pay for one console, the one made by Nintendo.

4. In the same wake as #3, Nintendo has again alienated consumers by money hatting Bayonetta 2. Keeping an otherwise excellent game out of reach for millions. This very game could have been published by Nintendo on XB1 and PS4 if they went third party.

-Then Sony should publish uncharted on XONE since its keeping an otherwise excellent game out of reach for millions, same goes for Halo, it should be published on PS4 since its keeping an otherwise excellent game out of reach for millions. Lots of games are not on a platform or another, Nintendo gooing third party won't change that fact... Everyone would like a dream machine that would play all the games there is, but saying that Nintendo has again alienated consumers by money hatting Bayonetta 2, is really funny as Nintendo saved the franchise, it would not exist without them, how could this be seen as "alienating"? 

I'm not sure if the table is. Microsoft definitely haven't made anything out of gaming yet the original Xbox sank them to the tune of 4bn? Then the $1bn from RROD etc will have hampered the printing money capabilities of the 360 and they're now selling the Xbox One at a pretty hefty loss. However it gives them market presence etc which were vital in the transitional period computers/technology have been in.

Sony made an absolute fortune from the PS1 and PS2 (SCEI was Sony's most profitable division and I think also had the highest revenue of any division at some points) however the PS3 ate into some of that. PS4 currently looks on track to be the third system to bring in a good chunk of cash.