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Goodnightmoon on 19 December 2014
VXIII said:
Goodnightmoon said:
VXIII said:

Probably to maximize the profit margin. Sony is going through hard times at the moment.


Yeah in fact, nobody talks about it but Sony is going to lose 2.1 billions this year, and on December 2013 their probability to go bankrupt by December 2015 was a 78.5%, against the 22% of Nintendo and the 1.4% of Microsoft, so ps4 is the winner of the generation yeah, but Sony is being the big loser by far.


There is a lot that can be done before a company go bankrupt. The majority of loss came from Sony Mobile division as a goodwill payment to ensure and improved the mobile business. They are trying new strategy that focuses on profit rather than the market share of smartphones. If that doesn't work they gonna have to let go on mobile business I guess. While these are hard times indeed, there is no need to make things look much worse than they are.

Yes, there´s no need to make things look worse than they are, but I´m really tired of read so many threads and comentaries about Nintendo getting doomed when it´s actually Sony the nearest to crash by far. And yes, i don´t think they´re going to bankrupt, they will change it´s business model in some way, but the fact is that ps3 make them lose so much money (first year they were selling a 900$ console for 600), than even great ps4 sales are not enoght to make profit. Even Nintendo is making good profit with WiiU having shitty numbres. Anyways, that´s out of topic.



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DJEVOLVE on 19 December 2014
VXIII said:
Europe in a goldmine for Sony, much bigger than NA now. Really impressive.


This is true, Xbox has got to start putting some focus on Europe in the next year or so. They have done a good job with NA but need to win back some customers in Europe, this can be obtained with some good works.

However PS4 Sales in these territories is very impressive. 



OfficerRaichu15 on 19 December 2014

Hopefully Nintendo can do over 550k like they did last december( I doubt it now sadly)



Bets:

(Won)Bet with TechoHobbit: He(Techno) says 10 million by January 1,2014 I say 9 million by then. Winner gets 2 weeks of sig control.

(Lost)Bet with kinisking: I say Ps4 will win April NPD while he says Xbox One will win it; winner gets 1 week of avatar control.

Raichu's First Series:

First RPG?

First Fighter?

First Racer?

First Shooter?

First MMO?

First Horror?

Official Ni No Kuni Fanboy:

Familiars Captured:37

Game Beaten: 2 times almost

Times I got teary during some scenes: 3

Rafux on 19 December 2014
Goodnightmoon said:
VXIII said:
Goodnightmoon said:
VXIII said:
platformmaster918 said:
VXIII said:
Europe in a goldmine for Sony, much bigger than NA now. Really impressive.

They could try harder in NA though.  Why not dominate both?

Probably to maximize the profit margin. Sony is going through hard times at the moment.


Yeah in fact, nobody talks about it but Sony is going to lose 2.1 billions this year, and on December 2013 their probability to go bankrupt by December 2015 was a 78.5%, against the 22% of Nintendo and the 1.4% of Microsoft, so ps4 is the winner of the generation yeah, but Sony is being the big loser by far.


There is a lot that can be done before a company go bankrupt. The majority of loss came from Sony Mobile division as a goodwill payment to ensure and improved the mobile business. They are trying new strategy that focuses on profit rather than the market share of smartphones. If that doesn't work they gonna have to let go on mobile business I guess. While these are hard times indeed, there is no need to make things look much worse than they are.

Yes, there´s no need to make things look worse than they are, but I´m really tired of read so many threads and comentaries about Nintendo getting doomed when it´s actually Sony the nearest to crash by far. And yes, i don´t think they´re going to bankrupt, they will change it´s business model in some way, but the fact is that ps3 make them lose so much money (first year they were selling a 900$ console for 600), than even great ps4 sales are not enoght to make profit. Even Nintendo is making good profit with WiiU having shitty numbres. Anyways, that´s out of topic.


Even if Sony goes bankrupt the Playstation brand is profitable it will probably survive, Nintendo on the other hand has no more place in the home console business even if they have billions in the bank.



Goodnightmoon on 19 December 2014
Rafux said:
Goodnightmoon said:
VXIII said:
Goodnightmoon said:
VXIII said:
platformmaster918 said:
VXIII said:
Europe in a goldmine for Sony, much bigger than NA now. Really impressive.

They could try harder in NA though.  Why not dominate both?

Probably to maximize the profit margin. Sony is going through hard times at the moment.


Yeah in fact, nobody talks about it but Sony is going to lose 2.1 billions this year, and on December 2013 their probability to go bankrupt by December 2015 was a 78.5%, against the 22% of Nintendo and the 1.4% of Microsoft, so ps4 is the winner of the generation yeah, but Sony is being the big loser by far.


There is a lot that can be done before a company go bankrupt. The majority of loss came from Sony Mobile division as a goodwill payment to ensure and improved the mobile business. They are trying new strategy that focuses on profit rather than the market share of smartphones. If that doesn't work they gonna have to let go on mobile business I guess. While these are hard times indeed, there is no need to make things look much worse than they are.

Yes, there´s no need to make things look worse than they are, but I´m really tired of read so many threads and comentaries about Nintendo getting doomed when it´s actually Sony the nearest to crash by far. And yes, i don´t think they´re going to bankrupt, they will change it´s business model in some way, but the fact is that ps3 make them lose so much money (first year they were selling a 900$ console for 600), than even great ps4 sales are not enoght to make profit. Even Nintendo is making good profit with WiiU having shitty numbres. Anyways, that´s out of topic.


Even if Sony goes bankrupt the Playstation brand is profitable it will probably survive, Nintendo on the other hand has no more place in the home console business even if they have billions in the bank.


That´s only hate



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VXIII on 19 December 2014
Goodnightmoon said:

Yes, there´s no need to make things look worse than they are, but I´m really tired of read so many threads and comentaries about Nintendo getting doomed when it´s actually Sony the nearest to crash by far. And yes, i don´t think they´re going to bankrupt, they will change it´s business model in some way, but the fact is that ps3 make them lose so much money (first year they were selling a 900$ console for 600), than even great ps4 sales are not enoght to make profit. Even Nintendo is making good profit with WiiU having shitty numbres. Anyways, that´s out of topic.

Well, Nintendo have always had a smart and brilliant business model. They did have troubles recently due to the Wii U but they also have the goldmine that is the 3DS. They had a great profit last quarter. That should silence the haters really. Not that you should take them seriously in the first place.

And yes, The PS3 was too ambitious for its own good, but how Sony handled the situation was immersive. Hopefully Sony return to profit soon, not just the entertainment division (which was profitable last quarter). I like the quality of their products in general.



OfficerRaichu15 on 19 December 2014

ok go ps4
xbox one big drop but expected
and whoever said nintendo is irrelevent then why are they making profits?



Bets:

(Won)Bet with TechoHobbit: He(Techno) says 10 million by January 1,2014 I say 9 million by then. Winner gets 2 weeks of sig control.

(Lost)Bet with kinisking: I say Ps4 will win April NPD while he says Xbox One will win it; winner gets 1 week of avatar control.

Raichu's First Series:

First RPG?

First Fighter?

First Racer?

First Shooter?

First MMO?

First Horror?

Official Ni No Kuni Fanboy:

Familiars Captured:37

Game Beaten: 2 times almost

Times I got teary during some scenes: 3

VXIII on 19 December 2014
CGI-Quality said:
Guys - can we kill the quote trees and get back on topic? Thanks.

No.

The industry is doomed and all you care about is your little thread?  Come on, man.



OfficerRaichu15 on 19 December 2014
Hiku said:
OfficerRaichu15 said:
Hiku said:

Expected drop for the X1 sales, as the initial frenzy of the price cut settles down a bit, and BF is over. But it's still selling quite well. As is the PS4.

The Wii U's sales are a shame to see. But I understand why they betted on Smash being more of a system seller. But it turns out it wasn't.
Either most Smash fans already bought it when MK8 came out, or they're waiting for a price drop/Smash bundle like me.

PS4 Europe numbers are really really impressive though. Even without a big price cut + a bunch of free games, etc.
EU looks almost as big of a market as North America for this gen.

PS4, XB1, WiiU, & 3DS sales this week:

NA: 777,193
EU: 744,468

Only a 33k difference.
If the PS4 had a similar price cut in EU as the one XB1 is having in US, you can bet that the EU numbers would be a lot higher than the NA numbers.

wii u is a little undertracked this week since it did 21k in france that week so it techically did over 190k but hey Im nitpickyy :P

xbox one will continue to drop due to us biggest shopping day being over and eu wont go up that much

3ds and ps4 will go up quite a bit though

Nice. And the Wii U isn't doing badly now. Just that I was hoping for more of an impact with Smash + Holiday sales.

yeah one thing to remember is how well it was doing in japan last holiday and to keep up with it shows that us and eu are up yoy



Bets:

(Won)Bet with TechoHobbit: He(Techno) says 10 million by January 1,2014 I say 9 million by then. Winner gets 2 weeks of sig control.

(Lost)Bet with kinisking: I say Ps4 will win April NPD while he says Xbox One will win it; winner gets 1 week of avatar control.

Raichu's First Series:

First RPG?

First Fighter?

First Racer?

First Shooter?

First MMO?

First Horror?

Official Ni No Kuni Fanboy:

Familiars Captured:37

Game Beaten: 2 times almost

Times I got teary during some scenes: 3

Goodnightmoon on 19 December 2014
VXIII said:
Goodnightmoon said:
VXIII said:


There is a lot that can be done before a company go bankrupt. The majority of loss came from Sony Mobile division as a goodwill payment to ensure and improved the mobile business. They are trying new strategy that focuses on profit rather than the market share of smartphones. If that doesn't work they gonna have to let go on mobile business I guess. While these are hard times indeed, there is no need to make things look much worse than they are.

Yes, there´s no need to make things look worse than they are, but I´m really tired of read so many threads and comentaries about Nintendo getting doomed when it´s actually Sony the nearest to crash by far. And yes, i don´t think they´re going to bankrupt, they will change it´s business model in some way, but the fact is that ps3 make them lose so much money (first year they were selling a 900$ console for 600), than even great ps4 sales are not enoght to make profit. Even Nintendo is making good profit with WiiU having shitty numbres. Anyways, that´s out of topic.

Well, Nintendo have always had a smart and brilliant business model. They did have troubles recently due to the Wii U but they also have the goldmine that is the 3DS. They had a great profit last quarter. That should silence the haters really. Not that you should take them seriously in the first place.

And yes, The PS3 was too ambitious for its own good, but how Sony handed the situation was immersive. Hopefully Sony return to profit soon, not just the entertainment division (which was profitable last quarter). I like the quality of their products in general.

I like their quality too, i hope they´ll get over this terrible times, i don´t want so see any of the 3 companies falling, but there´s so many people that want Nintendo to fail... Even on this forum i see a lot of people that being polite are saying ***** U Nintendo and can´t understand why, and is harde from me to understand all that Nintendoomed thing when numbres are NOT saying that, the are actually saying that is 3 times more possible to see a sonydoomed, something that i don´t really want.