Not true.  I bought games I wanted.  Many of the times, what you're geting is stuff you don't want.  PS+ games are too "rentals" when your PS+ account expires, all that stuff is gone.  I don't have to pay a dime to keep playing the stuff I have.  As long as my PS3 works, I can keep playing those games.

But, then again... 50 dollars a year isn't bad anyway.  Sometimes, I forget the price, and mistakenly think 50 bucks a month.  But, regardless of which, I don't want my games behind a PS+ Paywall.  And now, they aren't  I have almost every PS3 game I have ever wanted, save for about 5 more games.  When I get those five, I don't need to spend another penny on PS3.

But, to each their own, I suppose.  Saving an additional 2 or 3 dollars when the game has already been marked down to 10 bucks isn't worth it to me.  I want as little DRM as possible, and if I have to pay an extra 3 bucks to remove the PS+ wall, so be it.

great point. many games get a discount for plus customers. recently i got BF3 for 3.99$ instead of $4.99 

What? Typhoon,  I don't think you understand. I'll try to explain.

when you buy an item of the psn, with your cash, it's yours. During a sale some times discounted items are even further discounted if you have Plus. But since you spent cash it's still yours. NOT a rental.

There's no "wall" there. It's yours even if you drop plus. All games discounted are still owned by you.

I honestly don't understand people's expectations.

What are you possibly expecting for just $50/year? Me, I own a PS3 and a PS4, so that $50 brought me tons of titles, whether they are AAA or not. I own a Vita as well.

I got way more than the $50 I put in for a gaming grab bag.

I appreciate the effort, but I do not understand it, I think you're arguing against a point I am not making.

At no point have I said PS+ is a bad deal, the opposite.

What I have said, repeatedly and with good reason, is that Sony is not 'giving anything away.' Further more, if we did accept they were giving anything away, it would be nothing like the figure presented in the OP because:

- A miniscule number of people own all three PS+ consoles
- Thus far PS4 (where the majority of PS+ users reside) has received the worst games (certainly compared to the PS3)
- These games arrive long after launch in most instances, when they could alternatively have been obtained for well below RRP
- Their value is inherently miniscule to those who have no interest in playing any given game
- Many people already own the games worth playing
- We rent them, we're not given them

I haven't actually seen you disagree with any of the above, so I suspect we actually agree on all that, and you've mistaken me for someone saying that PS+ can never be worth it. I have it, paid 3 years in advance...

Yes and no. I agree that the term 'indie' is all too often used to dismiss what are often good games.

At the same time generally speaking indie also connotes low budget. This can in turn mean less content, lower production values, and a perceived lessor value.

There are exceptions of course. And plenty of big budget titles that turned out shit.

You said:

Does the fact that you got Bioshock Infinite (again, much later when you could have sourced it elsewhere for WELL below RRP) one month mean you're going to enjoy playing a couple of games in their 60's a few months later? 

And I proved to you that PS Plus rarely sees games under 69 metacritic.

Thus far PS4 users have received worse games? Did you bother to read the 6 month metacritic rating of games I posted? PS4 users are receiving higher critically acclaimed games than the PS3 is, the problem is that you automatically see "indie" and think it's a bad game.

Many people already own the games worth playing? And where did you get this fact? Or are you now just starting to make things up simply because you cannot come up with actual facts.

Yes less content, because we all know that a game with a shit ton of content is soooo good *Cough* ESO *Cough*

Quality > Quantity.

I did say that, and you've clearly misunderstood the intent.

You do not play averages. Bioshock Infiite is excellent. It isnt going to mean you enjoy playing a lessor rating game a few months later. In other words, enjoying one great game (a long time after it released) doesn't mean you'll enjoy a lessor game later on.

Where have I ONCE said that indies are bad games?

As for the last part, I'd have taken that as a given. Are you suggesting that the majority of people who have PS+ - hardcore gamers - do not purchase popular games on a reasonably consistent basis? If that were the case, the industry as we know it wouldn't exist.

Plenty of the games given out on PS Plus were given out on the day they released, so how can you say to me now that people have already purchased those games? Not to mention the majority of the games given out on PS Plus are not big AAA games because as of now PS4 doesn't have very many of those. Majority of the games are ones that have little to no advertising so how do you expect me to believe that the average "hardcore" gamer has already purchased them?

Also you completely disgregard my post where I tell you that the games released on PS4 PS Plus are rated higher than the ones on PS3.