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Dante9 said:
It's really simple. Fight the police, and a fight you shall get. Do as you are instructed, and the matter will be settled in a calm manner. The choice is yours.

No it's not that simple. Plenty of people have done as instructed and have been beaten and killed by the police. A member on this site even gave his experience a page back. No one gave Garner instructions, someone came behind him and grabbed his arm. I might add a plain clothes officer at that. He was wearing what looked like a batman shirt. You really feel the officers acted appropriately? 



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I really feel uncertainty sometimes, it's a sort of mixed bag, what if Brazilian police had a little more "brutality", would Brazil be better?



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HBninjaX said:

Did you even watch the video?  The guy was resisting arrest 100%  It is an absolute tragedy what happened, but don't pretend the guy was being compliant in any way shape or form.  To answer question though yeah I would protect myself but I wouldn't struggle against them, that's just a bad idea

he wasn't resisting, he was being choked to death with an illegal grip

your body won't just take that, it will convulse by itself



Skidmore said:
I really feel uncertainty sometimes, it's a sort of mixed bag, what if Brazilian police had a little more "brutality", would Brazil be better?


Are you kidding me, aren't they brutal enough there? Did people already forget about the Carandiru massacre? Thoes people only recently went to jail. I mean it's way worse there than in the US in a lot of ways.



Skidmore said:
I really feel uncertainty sometimes, it's a sort of mixed bag, what if Brazilian police had a little more "brutality", would Brazil be better?

the answer is no

the core of Brazils problems are overpopulation and rural exodus of lots of uneducated people that have no chance of employment

strict population control and more money for education are what can make Brazil better



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KLAMarine said:
If there's one thing I hate, it's when people make sweeping generalizations.





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Lafiel said:
Skidmore said:
I really feel uncertainty sometimes, it's a sort of mixed bag, what if Brazilian police had a little more "brutality", would Brazil be better?

the answer is no

the core of Brazils problems are overpopulation and rural exodus of lots of uneducated people that have no chance of employment

strict population control and more money for education are what can make Brazil better



Brazil's unemployment rate is 5%, though, 85% urbanized, its fertility rate about 1.9, and devotes a larger percentage of its GDP for education than an average developed country. I think you might be like 40 years late on your suggestions...

Our two safest states are the richest and the most strict on law enforcement and a good example is stronger than any theoretical suggestion. So I'd say it needs to grow economically and have a stronger state of law, really...

 

OT - American police is a bit too brutal, yes, but making it a race problem might be a bit too touchy, specially if statistics and factual data start coming into play. For a lot of people, gazing at the truth might have them reconsidering their miserable existence...



 

 

 

 

 

ijustlikegames:) said:

It happened around the same time as that Brown kid got shot. Some black cop shot and killed a kid who had his headphones on and apparently didnt hear the cop yell for him to stop so the cop shot him but the news wouldn't say anything about it because he was black and they are allowed to do that because of "equal rights" (aka whining until they get special treatment). 


Actually that case was worlds apart from furgerson, the black cop had a body camera which showed Taylor verablly refuse to obey orders ''Nah, fool'' (so he did hear), and eventually make a quick motion which was similar to drawing for a weapon. He was higly intoxicated, and the officer was called to location on the suspicion that this guy was armed. A death is always unfortunate but the officers reaction was justifiable. 


http://wreg.com/2014/11/25/salt-lake-cop-cleared-in-shooting-of-unarmed-white-man/



I currently work in a psychiatric setting where I am empowered to use force to subdue violent clients. If I had to worry about being charged for assault I wouldn't work there. No one would. Therefore the threshold for proof must be high for professions that are authorized by law to use force.

I fully support these brave service members. God bless you as always for keeping us all safe.



outlawauron said:
NiKKoM said:
You know.. In my country we don't usually wrestle down a person who gets arrested.. The cops like ask politly to put your arms up and then one of them goes around you asking to lower your arms behind your back.. Our cops try to talk before actually take action which endangers more people..

The man sold sigarets.. And there are like 7 cops around him.. I think there is something wrong with the training and image of the us police.. Its not like " they are protecting us" but more "damn they are watching us"

I wonder why that would work in the Netherlands, but not work in the US.

Its  the cultural difference.. we tend to show respect cause in the end the cop has the gun, pepperspray, taser, policestick with him.. most dangerous stuff i legally could carry is a small knife.. I can understand an American cop has to act faster and with more force cause the chance of him getting killed by a suspect is much much higher then here..

The more I think about it, its not just the police but also the people themself.. I saw a video of a man who was stopped by the police cause he walked around with his hands in his pockets.. a store owner got scared he was having a gun in his pocket and called 911.. but the guy had his hand in his pocket cause it was freezing.. that way of thinking of the store owner is scaring for the future of the US..



 

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