starcraft said: MikeB said: starcraft said: MikeB said: @ starcraft The 360 exclusives include shooters, story-driven epics and an RPG, the Wii games included a platformer and a Zelda game and the PS3 games....weren't on the list. Oblivion is ranked above 93% for the 360, however there's no denying the PS3 version is better (720p vs 600p, far less loading interuptions, longer view distance, more content, etc), so it all means little. I played the PGR games, but I have far much more fun with Motorstorm. For online shooter multi-player I prefer Warhawk, for great story and gameplay I prefer Uncharted, for a platformer I prefer Ratchet & Clank TOD, for online store games I prefer Super Stardust HD, for backwards compatible titles I prefer God of War 2, etc. It really comes down to personal taste. This is true enough, but you have to understand that your taste is nothing like the mainstream. Given enough money for one console only, most gamers would pick SMG over R&C for platformers, Mass Effect and Bioshock over Uncharted for story, Halo 3 and GeoW over Warhawk for online shooting, and PGR4, Forza 2 (or hell Need for Speed Pro Street) over Motorstorm (that game was frustratingly boring). Of course some of the games you mention may better known by people as they are sequels to previously popular games, but PGR3/4/Need of Speed are boring to me in comparison to Motorstorm, Motorstorm feels like something new (or oldskool, as Stunt Car Racer is a little similar in terms of gameplay => hopping over each other, boost, etc). Motorstorm boring? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE1fTmdfB2s Lag free online gameplay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwRpfdepfV8 (The game looks a lot better though on a HDTV screen with proper color settings) I guess with motorstorm it comes down to taste as you said. After a couple of hours with the game, I found it to be boring. Apparently most reviewers found it to be average. That doesn't make it bad, but it's not very good compared to PGR4's 86% or FM2 and PGR3's 89%.

It scored above average originally (82.5%) even from the US media, the major gripes with the game have been no-splitscreen offline multiplayer (fixed for the sequel with 4 player splitscreen) and lenghty loading times for the huge tracks (the game doens't stream data apart from audio, thus loading each track in whole each time). But the game received some great online updates and additional downloadable content!

Some people hate the difficulty on later levels, but I love it! I already got gold for all tickets up to level 3 and most tickets on level 4.

Fastrabbit09 said: MikeB said: According to VGChartz the gap between the 360 and PS3 is now 6.75 million. However we know the PS3 is slightly undertracked for the UK and Australia based on MCV/Chart Track/GfK/Sony [Bravia figures], probably by about 50K in total. And according to VGChartz the 360 outsold the PS3 in January for North America by about 62K, while the NPD reported the PS3 outselling the 360 by about 60K for just the US, so that's another 122K of difference. So the difference is probably closer to 6.56 million assuming no great difference for other regions. However assuming christmas sales (UK 20-22% of the European PS3 market) and PS2 sales ratios for SCEE are representative there may be another great gap, this may put the actual difference close to 6 million. 6 million considering Blu-Ray victory, fewer XBox users upgrading to 360, continued 360 reliability issues, a much better high profile PS3 game line-up, PS3 Home, PS3 PlayTV introduction, etc IMO 6 million seems like a possible figure to master by christmas 2008. (both consoles may drop in price though)   have u done the math there? how many consoles/week does ps3 have to average more than 360 to overtake it this year? how many consoles/week does 360 project to sell this year? what does that # come to for total weekly average sales ps3 has to get from now on? what % increase over current sales is that for ps3? how does it compare to wii and ps2 and historical console sales trends? do that math and see if u still believe that ps3 can do it in 2008...

Yes I have done this, I expect the PS3 to crush 360 sales in Europe and especially Japan this year as well as outselling the 360 for North America. Christmas 2008 may well do the trick, IMO it's not impossible.

CrazzyMan said: Those 90%+ exclusives are helping the 360 massively outsell the Xbox, and the PS3's lack of exclusives thats preventing it from massively outselling the 360 from day one like everyone thought it would. AND WHAT NOW will help x360 to outsell ps3, when ps3 get AA BRAND exclusives? PC capable of running Bioshock, Geow cost 399$. I would consider Fable2, Banjo 3, GeoW2, the only complete GTAIV and Too Human to be pretty compelling to a new Xbox 360 owner btw. GTA4 - how many there GTA fans only, which play only GTA games? Fable 2 is not a system seller, just like Mass effect wasn`t. Banjo 3 - has some potential, but very little. Geow2 - vs Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Socom, Haze. Too human will bomb.

I don't understand why too human is even being mentioned when we are talking about AAA 360 exclusive. The game has dark and brown graphics (and frankly the demo played at GDC was full of bugs,,but it's pre alpha so that might be fixed).

to me too human is  a cheap shot at devil may cry with the gun and sword.only difference is that Devil may cry has much better graphics(brighter).

 If we are talkin 360 AAA exclusive ,we should talk about Gears2 and Ninja gainden 2 and possibly Splinter cell.not too human.

MikeB said: Fastrabbit09 said: MikeB said: According to VGChartz the gap between the 360 and PS3 is now 6.75 million. However we know the PS3 is slightly undertracked for the UK and Australia based on MCV/Chart Track/GfK/Sony [Bravia figures], probably by about 50K in total. And according to VGChartz the 360 outsold the PS3 in January for North America by about 62K, while the NPD reported the PS3 outselling the 360 by about 60K for just the US, so that's another 122K of difference. So the difference is probably closer to 6.56 million assuming no great difference for other regions. However assuming christmas sales (UK 20-22% of the European PS3 market) and PS2 sales ratios for SCEE are representative there may be another great gap, this may put the actual difference close to 6 million. 6 million considering Blu-Ray victory, fewer XBox users upgrading to 360, continued 360 reliability issues, a much better high profile PS3 game line-up, PS3 Home, PS3 PlayTV introduction, etc IMO 6 million seems like a possible figure to master by christmas 2008. (both consoles may drop in price though)   have u done the math there? how many consoles/week does ps3 have to average more than 360 to overtake it this year? how many consoles/week does 360 project to sell this year? what does that # come to for total weekly average sales ps3 has to get from now on? what % increase over current sales is that for ps3? how does it compare to wii and ps2 and historical console sales trends? do that math and see if u still believe that ps3 can do it in 2008... Yes I have done this, I expect the PS3 to crush 360 sales in Europe and especially Japan this year as well as outselling the 360 for North America. Christmas 2008 may well do the trick, IMO it's not impossible.

u have? words like crush and outsell aren't math terms if u have, then how many more ps3s have to be sold each week than 360s? what is the projected #/week for ps3 to sell?

god these "type" of forums bring out the true fights :D

I love it. as for the over taking 360. Wont happen this year. Mid next year sounds closer.

SpartanFX said: CrazzyMan said: Those 90%+ exclusives are helping the 360 massively outsell the Xbox, and the PS3's lack of exclusives thats preventing it from massively outselling the 360 from day one like everyone thought it would. AND WHAT NOW will help x360 to outsell ps3, when ps3 get AA BRAND exclusives? PC capable of running Bioshock, Geow cost 399$. I would consider Fable2, Banjo 3, GeoW2, the only complete GTAIV and Too Human to be pretty compelling to a new Xbox 360 owner btw. GTA4 - how many there GTA fans only, which play only GTA games? Fable 2 is not a system seller, just like Mass effect wasn`t. Banjo 3 - has some potential, but very little. Geow2 - vs Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Socom, Haze. Too human will bomb. I don't understand why too human is even being mentioned when we are talking about AAA 360 exclusive. The game has dark and brown graphics (and frankly the demo played at GDC was full of bugs,,but it's pre alpha so that might be fixed). to me too human is a cheap shot at devil may cry with the gun and sword.only difference is that Devil may cry has much better graphics(brighter). If we are talkin 360 AAA exclusive ,we should talk about Gears2 and Ninja gainden 2 and possibly Splinter cell.not too human.

I found DMC's graphics to be lacking.  Too Human is an RPG you know?  It is NOTHING like DMC.

Too human is like DMC + Diablo.
More over, Too human is SO slow, that it`s more like Diablo Clone.
The animation SUX. There is NO dinamics in the game. Just watch last few TH trailers, if you don`t believe me.

NG2 is not a system seller either. It`s a hardcore game.
Splinter Cell has chances to come on ps3, anyway it will be released on PC, and more over, there already 2 SC games were released on x360. SC fans already bought x360.
And THAT game is NO match for MGS4.

In reality, most GREAT/GOOD games which come on x360 this year, are games which only x360 users care.
It`s MGS4, FFXIII - games which x360 users want on x360, while what x360 games ps3 users want on ps3? Is there any?

@ Fastrabbit09

Outselling the 360 worldwide by about 100K a week on average for the remaining weeks and about 200K a week for November / December.

The PS3 is already outselling the 360 in Japan at a ratio of 6:1 on average so far this year and this will probably increase once MGS4 and other PS3 blockbusters are released (including high profile cross platform PS3/360 titles).

For Europe Sony already revealed the PS3 was outselling the 360 at a 3:1 ratio for at least one week in 2008, this before the major titles hitting the market.

For the US the PS3 outsold the 360 by 60K in January already, this before the major titles have hit the market.

who cares anyway? buy the PS3 and the Wii and leave the baby PC to die its natural death as long as the red ring of death doesn't get it first

let's put it this way:

the 360 should sell roughly another 5 million consoles this year
so the ps3 has to sell between 11-12 million more consoles this year (in 44 weeks) in order to catch up to 360

that is 250-275k/week sales, when it has not gone above 192k since the holidays yet

last year ps3 sold 5.6 million consoles in 52 weeks, which is 108k/week

this year it has to sell 250-275k/week for the rest of the year, which is a 231 - 252% increase in sales year over year

that, btw, is one of the better case scenarios, because it assumes 360 doesn't have a price break to increase sales...i know if it has one then ps3 can have one as well, but ps3's % increase only grows still if 360 sales are more than 5mil this year

so u either think 360 won't sell 5mil more this year (still total ltd sales below original xbox, so there are still xbox owners looking to upgrade besides the new-to-xbox 360 owners) OR you think ps3 can somehow see a 250% increase in sales over last year