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pokoko said:

Honestly, if it were me, I'd put my "A-team" developers on next-gen projects once they're done with their current Wii U projects and I'd fill up the Wii U's remaining schedule after Zelda with more titles like Splatoon. I'd have younger talent experiment with new, original IP that, if well received, could become continuing franchises. Use the Wii U as a proving ground. Throw some pudding at the wall and see if anything sticks.

One thing for sure is that I would give the Wii U's successor one of the best launches in history. A fast start if vital in order to restore faith in consumers. Good first impressions and all that. And, for the sake of all cats, if the strategy is again to be much weaker than the other systems, then do NOT feature an expensive gimmick/innovation.

I agree with all of this, but other people are gaming wrong because my way is the only possible way. Of course.

OT: Nintendo can't do much right now, it's too late. They could try to ramp up advertising, but it's a little late to do that for this year as the holiday season has already started. Nintendo got themselves into a deep hole this generation, they just need to weather the storm they made.



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marioboy2004 said:
generic-user-1 said:
reggin_bolas said:
I love how people defend Nintendo by claiming it's making a profit on every Wii U sold. It's called market share loss. It's not a good thing regardless how many millions you make.

You think it's okay for Nintendo to keep selling under 20 million units every gen from hereafter as long as they make a profit?

Because that's pretty damn easy to do. Just keep releasing cheap and under-powered hardware and project between 10-20 million sold. Not a sustainable business model since it's all about growth.

why you need growth?


Why do you need more profit?

because profit is nice.  but u dont need growth for a bigger profit.



You lot compare the Wii u's weaknesses to the strengths of other consoles. The U also has unique strengths like off screen play and local multiplayer. These threads are regurgitated like a birds dinner everyday. Same argument, same anti Nintendo bias. Some people do want a wii u and will pay 280. And they have and will. Making it cheaper doesn't take away anything from the xb1 as if someone wants an xb1 they will buy one. If they want what the Wii u has to offer they will buy it. 



Ninsect said:

1. Games, brand strength, more attractive hardware, no price drop for WiiU in a while (it's overpriced, really)
2. Nothing for WiiU except price cuts I guess. Guarantee much better 3rd party support and a more competitive console for next gen.


agree. But NIntendo still can pay for some random 3rd party games, even old ports



1- PS4/ XBOX1 both have a better, varied genre filled library. Point, blank, period.

2- Next console, make it developer friendly. Put some current and future proof specs into the dam machine.

Gamers love Nintendo games. Yes, but Nintendo needs to realize that the gaming world has shifted to both Multi-player friendly games and online gaming is where it's at.

Focus on the consumer at hand, not the consumer of the past.



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EricFabian said:
Ninsect said:

1. Games, brand strength, more attractive hardware, no price drop for WiiU in a while (it's overpriced, really)
2. Nothing for WiiU except price cuts I guess. Guarantee much better 3rd party support and a more competitive console for next gen.


agree. But NIntendo still can pay for some random 3rd party games, even old ports


They have tried that early on with the Wii U, as well as during the N64 and GC eras... it rarely works out and publishers/developers are putting a lot less work into lower end console exclusives with the recent Assassin's Creed: Rogue being an exception.



NoirSon said:
EricFabian said:
Ninsect said:

1. Games, brand strength, more attractive hardware, no price drop for WiiU in a while (it's overpriced, really)
2. Nothing for WiiU except price cuts I guess. Guarantee much better 3rd party support and a more competitive console for next gen.


agree. But NIntendo still can pay for some random 3rd party games, even old ports


They have tried that early on with the Wii U, as well as during the N64 and GC eras... it rarely works out and publishers/developers are putting a lot less work into lower end console exclusives with the recent Assassin's Creed: Rogue being an exception.

No, they don't. Nintendo didn't pay for launch games. And didn't pay during N64/GCN eras. But they can do this now. I mean, not picking the first game that comes to mind, but just a few.



Nintendo has better games in my opinion, the other two dont have anything to offer.



 

Vodacixi said:

It's the most powerful way though. They need something more agressive to get noticed, and advertising is the most efficient way to do it.

Advertising is also the most expensive. Like I continue to say: it's a double-edged sword.

Vodacixi said:

But just look at the sales. You thing all of that is enough? It's not.

An argument form incredulity? Nice.

marioboy2004 said:
KLAMarine said:
reggin_bolas said:
I love how people defend Nintendo by claiming it's making a profit on every Wii U sold. It's called market share loss. It's not a good thing regardless how many millions you make.

You think it's okay for Nintendo to keep selling under 20 million units every gen from hereafter as long as they make a profit?

Because that's pretty damn easy to do. Just keep releasing cheap and under-powered hardware and project between 10-20 million sold. Not a sustainable business model since it's all about growth.

Hmmm... If I had to choose between market share or profit, I'd choose profit every time. I'm trying to think of a scenario where the alternative would be a better option.

I'm no expert so I don't know. I just always thought it best to seek to be profitable first and foremost before chasing a larger market share.

Unfortunately Nintendo's president begs to differ with you.  Just study Nintendos own history and you'll you.  When the profit margin was so high for the 3DS and sales were very low Mr. iwata went into a panic mode...thus the immediate price drop of the 3DS price by 30% and the introduction of the ambassador program..

Sounds to me Iwata was panicking not enough of a profit was being made due to low sales, not because of a loss of market share. You understand there's a difference between low sales and market share loss, surely?



MegaDrive08 said:

Nintendo has better games in my opinion, the other two dont have anything to offer.


While I enjoy Nintendo's first party just as much as the other guy, to say that the other brands have nothing to offer is a little absurd. Even the most loyal Xbox/PS fans will tell you there are a few games coming out of the other camp that they'd love to have on their preferred console. I suppose you're entitled to your opinion and maybe you're not into the cinematic experience but even so, there are still games such as Ratchet & Clank, Sly Cooper, Sunset Overdrive, the Tales of series, Kingdom Hearts etc.

Going back on topic, I saw a few posts saying that advertising wasn't needed. That I find to be a laughable comment. You're telling me that in North America (Can't speak for other regions but I'd guess Europe too), where you still have people who think the Wii U is just a gamepad addon to the OG Wii, isn't needed?

I'd like to think a big part of why Pokemon games and Mario Kart do so well is because they were actually advertised, both at retailers and on TV. Where as games like Wonderful 101, which I rather enjoyed, get no attention whatsoever because their budget simply isn't big enough to support advertising leaving the game in limbo. I'm not saying the Wii U could compete with advertising but it would raise awareness to the brand. At the end of the day, the saying is true. One must be willing to spend money, even lose money, in order to make a profit. Playing it safe never got anyone anywhere, Nintendo needs to remember how rutheless they were when they battled Sega for console suppremacy.

The final thing I want to add is this. Nintendo has already established that they are the handheld king and that title isn't going anywhere, so maybe it's time to focus a little less on the 3DS and put some of those games on the Wii U? Majora's Mask, Luigi's Mansion and a few other titles could have easily found their way to the Wii U to make the library have a little more fluff so to speak. I'm not saying put everything on the Wii U but you can't deny that the 3DS seems to get way more first party attention through out the year, needs to be a little more even if you ask me.