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NewGuy on 20 November 2014
MepH said:

Hi guys, this is my first topic on VGChartz. I would like to talk with you about LTD home console shipments here!
As you already know, Sony never made any announcement of PS3 beating the 360, and I recently saw some forum posts saying ps3 could surpass 360 soon or implying that 360 is still ahead in shipments.
So today I decided to watch over all the shipments information from Sony and Microsoft, trying to have an accurate idea of the LTD shipments of those home consoles (too bad they combined PS2/PS3 and 360/ONE...)

I found a cool page on the SONY website that gather all of their Historical Data, so it was easier than watching over all of the reports (even though I checked some to be sure the data matches)
Here it is: http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/historical.html

Here are 3 Pictures I've made for you so you don't have to download the files to check shipments:
FY'01-FY'10 Shipments : http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/47/1416439251-sonyshipmentshistoryfy01-10.jpg
FY'11-FY'12 Shipments : http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/47/1416439255-sonyshipmentshistoryfy11-12.jpg
FY'13-FY'14 Shipments : http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/47/1416439260-sonyshipmentshistoryfy13-14.jpg

I decided to make a cumulative LTD shipments excel file from these numbers to see it better:


As you can see, FY'12 (April'12-March'13) is the last year PS2 was shipped (production ended early january 2013.)
We had 157.9M PS2 and 63.9M at the end of FY'11 (March, 31, 2012).
SONY Shipped 16.5M consoles in The FY'12. We know PS2 sold 6.4M FY'10 and 4.1M FY'11. If we consider it dropped the same percentage, PS2 should be at 2.6M FY'12, leaving the PS3 at 13.9M.
Then we have true PS3 numbers for FY'13 and FY'14.

SONY shipped a total of 247M ps2+ps3. According to my estimate on FY'12, it puts PS2 at 160.5M and PS3 at 86.5M as of September, 30, 2014.


The work about Microsoft Xbox home consoles data was done faster:

The X360 LTD on June, 30, 2013 was 78.2M: http://www.microsoft.com/investor/EarningsAndFinancials/Earnings/Kpi/FY13/Q4/Detail.aspx (bottom of the page)
X360+Xbox One from July 2013 to June 2014 added 11.7M: http://www.microsoft.com/investor/EarningsAndFinancials/Earnings/Kpi/FY14/Q4/Detail.aspx
X360+Xbox One from July 2014 to September 2014 added 2.4M: http://www.microsoft.com/investor/EarningsAndFinancials/Earnings/Kpi/FY15/Q1/Detail.aspx

So Microsoft shipped a total of 92.3M Xbox 360+Xbox One consoles. According to the general estimates of the forum users saying Xbox One is at about 7.5M on last September, 30th, it leaves X360 at about 84.8M consoles shipped at the same day.

So unless Sony shipped 162.2M+ PS2 (meaning they shipped less than 84.8M PS3), then PS3 surpassed 360 many months ago on LTD shipments. (Well, with an estimate of 160.5M ps2, it would means even early last year with 78.8M ps3 on June 2013 and 78.2M Xbox360 at the same day, but SONY made their 80M announcement after Microsoft, so either they were some weeks(5-10?) late with their data for the announcement or ps2 was more like 161.5M LTD.)


As a conclusion, SONY and Microsoft home consoles LTD shipments should now(September, 30, 2014) look like :

PS1: 102.49M
PS2: ~160.5M*
PS3: ~86.5M*
360: ~84.8M
ONE: ~7.5M
PS4: 13.5M
*Add ~1.0M for PS2 and remove ~1.0M for PS3 to match the 80M PS3 announcement by SONY (some weeks late announcement over their data possible?)


Any thoughts about all this? Also why the PS1 and PS2 are so off on vgchartz after all those years?




PS: if you find any error on any number, please tell me, i'm new to this, it's the first time I do this kind of work, so I might be wrong on some numbers even if I tried not to be.

Excellent analysis and excellent post. Great find on the link as well.

Not sure what you mean by adding ~1M to PS2 and removing ~1M for the PS3. EDIT: Removed some, most likely wrong assumptions.



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NewGuy on 20 November 2014
Kerotan said:
Very well done and good research! It looks like PS2 is under tracked by a bit on here and is undoubtedly the most sold games console ever. Amazing feat given how big the handheld DS was.

And yeah PS3 a bit more ahead of 360 than the Chartz show. 95M will probably be the total sales the PS3 gets unless it geeps getting it's priced dropped right down to $60 eventually but that's hard to see.

It's turning a very nice profit right now though because it's still a bit expensive and costs have plummeted.

Also PSP shipments were 82M so under tracked on here as well and that means it outsold the GBA.


If that really is the case, someone needs to make a thread, this would be the first time a Nintendo handheld has been outsold by a competitor.



thismeintiel on 20 November 2014

Seems good to me. If I remember correctly, even the more optimistic estimates only had it at ~162M. So, even though VGC already has the PS3 ahead, I guess this is just confirmation.



 

Lastgengamer on 20 November 2014

Numbers look solid, good analysis!



dharh on 20 November 2014

Very nice thread. Reminds me back in the day why I became interested in this site.

I love data like this. Would like to start seeing some graph comparisons. To see rates of growth etc. It's amazing the PS2 just explodes with sales after a certain point and maintains that high level for a good stretch of years.



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walsufnir on 20 November 2014

Excellent finding!



Captain_Tom on 20 November 2014

I mean it is common knowledge that the PS3 passed the 360 over a year ago. Just wait for the 90m shipped announcement within a year...



DonFerrari on 20 November 2014

Good work on confirming the gap, that is "if Sony numbers are to believed".



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

ThatDanishGamer on 20 November 2014

VGChartz is undertracking PlayStation products by a lot because the PS3/PS4 is selling well in countries that are difficult to track. Xbox isn't as undetracked  because most of them are sold America and GB.
Sony has published PS4 hardware numbers multiple times and VGC still undetracked it by almost 700k at 10 million.



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Kerotan on 20 November 2014
ThatDanishGamer said:

VGChartz is undertracking PlayStation products by a lot because the PS3/PS4 is selling well in countries that are difficult to track. Xbox isn't as undetracked  because most of them are sold America and GB.
Sony has published PS4 hardware numbers multiple times and VGC still undetracked it by almost 700k at 10 million.


so what qas the excuse in the last year when we discovered VGChartz had over tracked the 360 in Germany by 2 million? 

Just so we're clear when you say the VGchartz tracking you really mean their ability to get numbers from actual trackers. hence why they are so far off in the regions they can't do so. Not a stab at VGC but it's very obvious. Doesn't bother me though because the site is still great for debating the numberz and then the numbers when they come.