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BossPuma said:
Netyaroze said:
 


So according to you only the prositution aspects condition people into thinking thats normal but everything else they see they think its not normal ? Makes no sense.. 

Its ok to see women as sexual objects ofcourse. Is it a crime to do so ? It would be unnormal if you see them ONLY as sexual objects though because women are also unique humans with personalities but aslong as you respect every humans rights you are doing nothing wrong.  There always existed perverted people that has nothing to do with GTA. Perversion is as old as humanity. People had sex with children and raped since forever. I dare to say it was even more prevalent in the past then today. It wasnt even a crime to have sex with kids hundreds/thousands of years ago. The objectification of women and men in media doesnt cause people to turn into rapists and child molestors there is no reason to believe that unless you point me to some sort of prove, those urges are there in some people naturaly or caused by certain events in their past. in India porn is illegal yet they rape alot over there.  

You think if you played GTA 5 and had sex with a prostitute there you would go around raping people ? If that is enough to make someone a rapist then they would have done it anyway even without GTA 5.

 

Please do not twist my words because in the context of this thread we are only talking of prostitution and sexualization of women.

I do not believe that it is ok to see women as sexual objects. Being attracted to them? Sure. Obectifying them as a sexual object who should please and satisfy you is not ok. GTA just makes that thinking more mainstream. If you care to see where im coming from, I would suggest taking a look at how the media we partake in can influence and condition us to believe certain things. http://www.jeankilbourne.com/lectures/

Ofcourse but your rule you put up would also apply to other things in the videogames and apparently it doesnt. Its clear to everyone its just a fantasy scenario over the age of 18.  

Well its all subjective the sexual objectification of women and men is not illegal so it comes down to personal opinion. If you are attracted to a woman on a picture and you know nothing about her you see her purely for her looks isnt that sexual objectification already ? You see her only as a sexual object in that case because you dont know her at all. Also the vast majority of people are aware a pretty woman has her own mind and she will only please and satisfy you if she wants to.  Nobody is so deluded to think that they have a RIGHT to her body. Comeon I have never seen an entitled person like this. Sure there are people that WISH and PRETEND thats reality but it never is. 

 

Btw: I read that link. Is there any study saying how much of an impact that actually has can this produce rapists ? Are there any numbers to quantify that ?

I still dont see how GTA 5 prositution part is relevant. It should be evident for anybody over 18 that its purely fantasy. Also prostitution is infact a real part of life. I also dont understand why prostitution is bad. (Unless its forced onto someone). In most peoples minds there is a clear distinction between a normal female and a prostitute. But for the sake of realism and fairness there should be male prostitutes aswell in GTA. 



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BossPuma said:
I believe we are conditioned to be more accepting of that kind of stuff and GTA is a contributing factor. Those who disagree need a basic lesson in classical conditioning.


with that kind of reasoning having sex itself is evil right?

lol i don't think most people understand that this is the underlying issue here



o_O.Q said:
BossPuma said:
I believe we are conditioned to be more accepting of that kind of stuff and GTA is a contributing factor. Those who disagree need a basic lesson in classical conditioning.


with that kind of reasoning having sex itself is evil right?

lol i don't think most people understand that this is the underlying issue here


Give an example for what you are talking about. No, of course sex is not wrong.



Barkley said:




I agree that a game marketed towards adults should not have to be censored. However what exactly does having the ability to have sex with prostitutes add to GTA. Do people actually think this feature adds to the game at all? I imagine the only people that actually bother to do it are probably teenagers, cause them kids be randy these days.

But yeah it's not Rockstars responsibility in the slightest, it just puzzles me why this feature is even in the game other than to appeal to the teenage boy demographic.


lol what planet are you living on where the primary market for prostitues is teenagers?

from my understanding it is generally grown men who solicit the services of prostitues

now whether its the right thing to do or not is not for me to decide but its the reality 

lol its not only teenagers that can be "randy" its adults too

 

and this doesn't annoy me because of the issue of this isolated incident with prostitues in gta and yes its a fairly pointless feature

its because its a slippery slope where you start with the prositutes then censor anything that can be miscontrued as being upsetting for women and i would hate to live in a world like that

 

 something that i find interesting though with this issue is how it attacks male sexuality and categorises it as being immature(on the level of teenagers) or dangerous and this is a constant theme 



BossPuma said:
o_O.Q said:
BossPuma said:
I believe we are conditioned to be more accepting of that kind of stuff and GTA is a contributing factor. Those who disagree need a basic lesson in classical conditioning.


with that kind of reasoning having sex itself is evil right?

lol i don't think most people understand that this is the underlying issue here


Give an example for what you are talking about. No, of course sex is not wrong.


you said that you looked at this as being a factor that could condition people to find prostitues to be acceptible

my point is that having sex with someone would have an even greater effect if you disagree can you explain why?



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Brii said:


Alot of victims ARE claimed to have 'deserved it', though, unfortunately, which is where much of the issue lies. That's why many are afraid to speak out about things like abuse. And it's definitely not just women. So many times I read nasty comments about gay teenagers who are verbally abused or harmed in school akin to something like "He had it coming by flaunting it". Sure, they could avoid it by never being honest with others about their sexuality, but is that a fair 'precaution' to ask of them? Why not ask of others to NOT be verbally and physically abusive instead?

I'm not saying bad things won't happen if you aren't careful, or that bad things won't happen even if you are. But the victim still shouldn't be blamed or told they deserved it when it's the actions of another that directly caused their harm. There's only so much you can do to protect yourself, and even less to protect yourself while still being able to enjoy life. There is inherent risk in just walking out the door each day, after all. 

 

"Alot of victims ARE claimed to have 'deserved it'"

 

that sounds very unlikely to me let me try to take a guess at what they may actually be saying

i'd say that perhaps what is actually said is that a woman by dressing in a provocative fashion may have a greater chance of catching the eye of a rapist

i'd say that this is true a woman who is showing off more skin than normal will draw the attention of the men around her more than if she was not

does that mean that she deserves to be raped? no it just means that it may increase the chances of a rape occuring

 

"Sure, they could avoid it by never being honest with others about their sexuality, but is that a fair 'precaution' to ask of them? Why not ask of others to NOT be verbally and physically abusive instead?"

 

yes you could ask others to do so but some people will use their freedom to harm other people no matter what

the only real way to guarantee safety is to take away freedom 

if you take away the freedom to insult or bully then choice does not factor into the situation

 

"even less to protect yourself while still being able to enjoy life"

 

exactly its a tradeoff between risk and safety



Brii said:


Alot of victims ARE claimed to have 'deserved it', though, unfortunately, which is where much of the issue lies. That's why many are afraid to speak out about things like abuse. And it's definitely not just women. So many times I read nasty comments about gay teenagers who are verbally abused or harmed in school akin to something like "He had it coming by flaunting it". Sure, they could avoid it by never being honest with others about their sexuality, but is that a fair 'precaution' to ask of them? Why not ask of others to NOT be verbally and physically abusive instead?

I'm not saying bad things won't happen if you aren't careful, or that bad things won't happen even if you are. But the victim still shouldn't be blamed or told they deserved it when it's the actions of another that directly caused their harm. There's only so much you can do to protect yourself, and even less to protect yourself while still being able to enjoy life. There is inherent risk in just walking out the door each day, after all. 


Nobody (who is not emotionally impaired) actually thinks a raped woman deserves to be raped because thats stupid. Nobody deserves to be raped except maybe a rapist. (Atleast I think it would be fair even if the law disagrees).

But if you get drunk and go without much clothes and any friends to partys the risk might be higher to get raped. Atleast to me it makes sense because the alcohol makes it easier for a potential rapist to isolate you from a group and subdue you without getting the attention from other people. But even in that case sane people do not think that the victim deserved it.  

Asking others to not be physically or verbally abusive is like asking the earth to change directions for one day and rotate the other way.  Its pointless. Because some people just are abusive its a fact of life a lobotomy might help but asking them I doubt so 



the woman is willingly offering sex in exchange for money, it isn't rape.

Now if the "client/punter" gets the sex he asked for, then refuses to pay, some would argue it is then rape, but actually it is fraud/thieft, by definition rape is the act of sex without consent, a prostitute consents to the sex as a form of service in exchange for money, and does so willingly, you can't then claim rape because the promised funds are not provided, because you consented, you were tricked, not raped.

Going back and claiming you were raped when you originally consented is an abuse of law, it opens up the possibility of women consenting to sex, then somewhere down the line having a disagreement with the other party and saying "he raped me" as a form of revenge, this already happens but going as far as to call prostitution rape is just taking the whole issue to the extremes in overly PC style.



The dialogue of the linked video"gameplay" seems to says otherwise...



Cobretti2 said:
The day you were born a man you been branded a rapist and pedophile so society already promotes it.


Can't piss of a girl cause she will claim rape.

Can't play with kids or have a camera on the beach cause you will be a pedo.

That last bit is painfully true, I'm Japanese, my husband is white, we were in the UK not too long ago with our daughter (who for the most part looks mostly japanese), i left him with her in a mall to use he bathroom, and when I came back a woman was stood next to him with a security guard attempting to hold him down for "abusing someones kid", all the while he was saying "what the hell, its MY DAUGHTER", when i ran over and asked what the hell, the security guard instantly turned to me and said "is this your daughter", I obviously sad yes, and before i could say another word he says "we've caught this man trying to interfere with your child", the police have been called and are on their way.

I was like, HELLO, IDIOT, THATS MY HUSBAND, AND HER FATHER.

Stupid ass woman stuck her nose in the air and says "hmpf, doesnt look like it" and walks off, meanwhile the security guard borderline forces us to stay until the police arrive, to "double check".

People need to stop being so fucking retarded and paranoid, all they ever seem to do is attack others and the second the person/group they attack so much as raise an eyebrow, they play the victim card and the media both laps it up and sides with them.