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colafitte said:
EricFabian said:
colafitte said:
EricFabian said:
colafitte said:
Can I play GTA V, COD Advanced Warfare, AC Unity, FarCry 4, Dragon Age Inquisition, FIFA 15, NBA 2k15, Destiny, Shadows of Mordor, Diablo 3 and/or I could play in the future games like The Witcher 3, Batman Arkham Knight, MGS V, FF XV, KH 3 on a WiiU Mr Fils-Aime??

If the answer is NO, then WIIU DOESN'T REPRESENTS THE BEST VALUE OF ALL HOME CONSOLES AVAILABLE TODAY, even if Nintendo was selling it at 200$ with 5 games....And don't even try to talk about Bayonetta 2 because even WiiU owners don't give a shit about that game...

Nintendo as a game developer is the best in the world, Nintendo WiiU as a game console is the worst value for current gen consoles BY FAR, and considering the sales, is obvious most people think the same.

He should try stop being so arrogant because Nintendo best times have passed.


Can I play Mario kart 8, Pikmin 3, Bayonetta 2, Smash, 3D World, Wind Waker, Lego City, Zombie U, Hyrule Warriors and/or I could play in the future games like Starfox, Zelda, Splatoon, Yoshi, Xenoblade on a PS4 or X1?

 

See, anyone can do the same. I'm not saying Wii U is better value than PS4/X1 but is not arrogance, is his job


You basically named the 100% games available now, and probably 80-90% of the best games WiiU will have in its entire cycle. On PS4 and XBO I just named a few of the games you can play only this year and just a few you'll play in the next years, I don't even named exclusives for PS4 and XBO. I was nice, compassionate with WiiU,  but if I did with PS4/XBO the same as you did with WiiU I could name at least more than 100 games (good and big seller games) you won't play on WiiU ever.

The games I listed that you can't play on WiiU right now are the biggest sellers and most essential to most of the console gamers. Nintendo fans think that the baseline for Nintendo homeconsoles sales is Wii, but the reality is that it was always like WiiU since Playstation came in 1994. N64, GC and WiiU have the same pros and cons. You can play some of the best games ever from Nintendo (and they're just a few...), but nothing more. 

The thing with Nintendo homeconsoles is not the games that you can play, is the games that you can't. Wii was the exception to the rule.

And Fils-Aime is arrogant because he's is the first that is making a comparison with the competition saying they're better. Even if it was true, that's by defintion arrogance. I know is his job to sell their product, but to me, being arrogant is not the best way for Nintendo right now.

Not even close to 100% of games avaliable now. But is ok. It was Nintendo fault that people still don't know what they can play on Wii U.

 

And again, is not arrogance at all. Sony made some videos with their dance victory. Are they arrogant? Because as far I remember, they are first to do this

 

 

edit: in orther news, Vita is better than 3DS http://nintendoeverything.com/sony-wii-a-shadow-of-its-former-self-vita-better-than-3ds-and-others-as-best-handheld-gaming-experience/

Arrogance detected


I already said Sony is being arrogant in that thread that talk about PSV being better than 3DS too, so I'm not being unfair....I think both have been arrogant without earn the right to be arrogant (Nintendo with WiiU and Sony with PSV).

And the topic of games...What I meant to say all the time is that there are a lot more games to play of great quality on PS4/XBO than WiiU. It's not a opinion, it's a fact.


That doesn't make sense, the WiiU has more quality games at this time than the PS4 and Xbone. But the Xbone is the better value in my opinion unless they drop the price for the WiiU.



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All was fair arguments except "The Wii U's Amiibo support and value, relative to the competition, also represent key points of differentiation when shoppers are looking for a new console, Fils-Aime said"



MegaManX said:

As far as the One is concerned paying for the online works out far better to your advantage. First you get at least 3 games per month between 360 and the One. Secondly you can find a years worth of Gold for $35 several times throughout the year easily ( I have never paid more, since I stock up ever few years) so you are only paying on average a few bucks a month. Thirdly you get weekly discounts on Arcade games and digital retail games and DLC at heavy discounts, usually 50-75 percent off. Lastly you get a much more reliable and organized online experience with far more people on and activity.

Even if you never purchase one game in store or online, you can still get easily 30 plus games for free each year, and with the bundles being offered during these 2 months by MS and the black friday ads actually being better with sales than the Wii U I would have to disagree with the Wii U being the better value.

Plus you get a far better diversity of games since the Wii U is putting out little more than platformers, a couple hack and slash games, and it's generational installments of kart racing and Smash.

Let's check metacritic 90%+ games for variety in genre shall we:

Super Smash Bros. Wii U: 94% (fighting game)

Super Mario 3D World: 93% (3D platformer)

Rayman Legends: 92% (2D platformer)

Bayonetta 1 & 2: 91% (Hack and slash)

The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD (Action adventure & puzzle solving)

Guacamelee: 90% (2D platformer)

That's 5 different genres. Yes, I think 3D and 2D platformers have enough differences to call it a different genre.

XBONE:

Nothing. Wow, such variety!

What is XBONE still getting this year? Well, nothing. Wii U still has Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker on the way which is a 3D puzzle solving game. (in fact, it was first going to use Link as the main character!)



Samus Aran said:
MegaManX said:

As far as the One is concerned paying for the online works out far better to your advantage. First you get at least 3 games per month between 360 and the One. Secondly you can find a years worth of Gold for $35 several times throughout the year easily ( I have never paid more, since I stock up ever few years) so you are only paying on average a few bucks a month. Thirdly you get weekly discounts on Arcade games and digital retail games and DLC at heavy discounts, usually 50-75 percent off. Lastly you get a much more reliable and organized online experience with far more people on and activity.

Even if you never purchase one game in store or online, you can still get easily 30 plus games for free each year, and with the bundles being offered during these 2 months by MS and the black friday ads actually being better with sales than the Wii U I would have to disagree with the Wii U being the better value.

Plus you get a far better diversity of games since the Wii U is putting out little more than platformers, a couple hack and slash games, and it's generational installments of kart racing and Smash.

Let's check metacritic 90%+ games for variety in genre shall we:

Super Smash Bros. Wii U: 94% (fighting game)

Super Mario 3D World: 93% (3D platformer)

Rayman Legends: 92% (2D platformer)

Bayonetta 1 & 2: 91% (Hack and slash)

The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD (Action adventure & puzzle solving)

Guacamelee: 90% (2D platformer)

That's 5 different genres. Yes, I think 3D and 2D platformers have enough differences to call it a different genre.

XBONE:

Nothing. Wow, such variety!

What is XBONE still getting this year? Well, nothing. Wii U still has Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker on the way which is a 3D puzzle solving game. (in fact, it was first going to use Link as the main character!)

Well I can play 2 of those games on Xbox One (Rayman and Guacamelee) and 2 on my 360 (Bayonetta and Guacamelee).  That 's half your games I don't need a Wii U for.  LOZ and Smash are essentially ports of games I can play on other systems before they came out for less and 3D World is just mission pack sequel.  Bayonetta 2 is ok but that's all you have to show for it after 2 years on the market, a full years advantage!

Metacritic is honestly irrelevant, sure it's a gauge but it's hardly the last word on the quality or originality of a game.  If it were than Wii U wouldn't have been the first horse in the race now trailing in last place.  You also mention 1 or 2 games per genre as if that's supposed to last them the droughts that the Wii U is known for, there is no third party support so you sit around and maybe 1 or 2 retail releases will come out a month.  Like Kart Racing well there is only one to choose from, like fighting game, hope you like smash cause that's it.  Like hack and slash, well we got one and a port of another.  LOZ, well that will be another year to an original title, like third parties, we aren't getting any of those this generation.  

Xbox One has

FPS     Halo MCC (I assume ports are ok since you used LOZ), Sunset Overdrive, Destiny, Far Cry 4, COD AW, TItanfall

Survival Horror    Evil Within, Dead Rising 3, Alien Isolation

3rd person/Open World   GTA 5, Minecraft, Watch Dogs, Dragon Age Inquisition, Assassin's Creed Unity, Project Spark, Warframe

Fighting    Killer Instinct 1 and 2

Sports   FIFA 15  NHL 15, NBA 15, NBA 2k15, Pro Evolution Soccer 2015, WWE 2015 Madden 2015

Racing   Forza 2

RPG   Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor   Borderlands

Stealth   Styx

Adventure    D4   Ryse

Platformers/Kids   Lego Gotham 3, Disney Infinity, Skylanders TT

Tower Defense    Defense Grid 2

Platformer   Rayman Legends, Guacamelee, Max COB

There is over a dozen genres most of those games you won't find on a Nintendo console and those are all games that are out now, give the ONE another year and it will blow away the Wii U lineup of what...the next six months all I see as confirmed are Kirby and Captain Toad and maybe Splatoon and another Yoshi, that's all that's been confirmed for the first 6 months of next year, come on!

And I'm barely touching on all the great 2D and other great arcade games that cover generes from Pinball to Toy Soldiers.

Enjoy getting your bimonthly game and always having to pay full price while I get numerous games each month for free and for a reduced price which was the point of my post to begin with.  

 



"Wii U Is Better Value Than Xbox One or PS4"

"Nintendo Exec Says" Oh.. Well, isn't he supposed to cheer for Nintendo? :/



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I'm shocked that they would think that about their own product.



MegaManX said:
Samus Aran said:
MegaManX said:

As far as the One is concerned paying for the online works out far better to your advantage. First you get at least 3 games per month between 360 and the One. Secondly you can find a years worth of Gold for $35 several times throughout the year easily ( I have never paid more, since I stock up ever few years) so you are only paying on average a few bucks a month. Thirdly you get weekly discounts on Arcade games and digital retail games and DLC at heavy discounts, usually 50-75 percent off. Lastly you get a much more reliable and organized online experience with far more people on and activity.

Even if you never purchase one game in store or online, you can still get easily 30 plus games for free each year, and with the bundles being offered during these 2 months by MS and the black friday ads actually being better with sales than the Wii U I would have to disagree with the Wii U being the better value.

Plus you get a far better diversity of games since the Wii U is putting out little more than platformers, a couple hack and slash games, and it's generational installments of kart racing and Smash.

Let's check metacritic 90%+ games for variety in genre shall we:

Super Smash Bros. Wii U: 94% (fighting game)

Super Mario 3D World: 93% (3D platformer)

Rayman Legends: 92% (2D platformer)

Bayonetta 1 & 2: 91% (Hack and slash)

The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD (Action adventure & puzzle solving)

Guacamelee: 90% (2D platformer)

That's 5 different genres. Yes, I think 3D and 2D platformers have enough differences to call it a different genre.

XBONE:

Nothing. Wow, such variety!

What is XBONE still getting this year? Well, nothing. Wii U still has Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker on the way which is a 3D puzzle solving game. (in fact, it was first going to use Link as the main character!)

Well I can play 2 of those games on Xbox One (Rayman and Guacamelee) and 2 on my 360 (Bayonetta and Guacamelee).  That 's half your games I don't need a Wii U for.  LOZ and Smash are essentially ports of games I can play on other systems before they came out for less and 3D World is just mission pack sequel.  Bayonetta 2 is ok but that's all you have to show for it after 2 years on the market, a full years advantage!

Metacritic is honestly irrelevant, sure it's a gauge but it's hardly the last word on the quality or originality of a game.  If it were than Wii U wouldn't have been the first horse in the race now trailing in last place.  You also mention 1 or 2 games per genre as if that's supposed to last them the droughts that the Wii U is known for, there is no third party support so you sit around and maybe 1 or 2 retail releases will come out a month.  Like Kart Racing well there is only one to choose from, like fighting game, hope you like smash cause that's it.  Like hack and slash, well we got one and a port of another.  LOZ, well that will be another year to an original title, like third parties, we aren't getting any of those this generation.  

Xbox One has

FPS     Halo MCC (I assume ports are ok since you used LOZ), Sunset Overdrive, Destiny, Far Cry 4, COD AW, TItanfall

Survival Horror    Evil Within, Dead Rising 3, Alien Isolation

3rd person/Open World   GTA 5, Minecraft, Watch Dogs, Dragon Age Inquisition, Assassin's Creed Unity, Project Spark, Warframe

Fighting    Killer Instinct 1 and 2

Sports   FIFA 15  NHL 15, NBA 15, NBA 2k15, Pro Evolution Soccer 2015, WWE 2015 Madden 2015

Racing   Forza 2

RPG   Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor   Borderlands

Stealth   Styx

Adventure    D4   Ryse

Platformers/Kids   Lego Gotham 3, Disney Infinity, Skylanders TT

Tower Defense    Defense Grid 2

Platformer   Rayman Legends, Guacamelee, Max COB

There is over a dozen genres most of those games you won't find on a Nintendo console and those are all games that are out now, give the ONE another year and it will blow away the Wii U lineup of what...the next six months all I see as confirmed are Kirby and Captain Toad and maybe Splatoon and another Yoshi, that's all that's been confirmed for the first 6 months of next year, come on!

And I'm barely touching on all the great 2D and other great arcade games that cover generes from Pinball to Toy Soldiers.

Enjoy getting your bimonthly game and always having to pay full price while I get numerous games each month for free and for a reduced price which was the point of my post to begin with.  

 

This guy can play Bayonetta 2 on his XBOX360. What a miracle!

I don't want crappy games even if they're free. Though I did get Wind Waker HD, Pikmin 3, Bayonetta 1 and Super Mario 3D Land for free. ;) So much for paying full price, huh? 
What does the XBONE have lined up for exclusives next year? Do tell me. If you want to play third party games you're better off with a PS4.

Wii U has Zelda (action adventure), Splatoon (third person shooter), Xenoblade Chronicles (jrpg), Yoshi's Woolly World (2.5D platformer), Kirby (2.5D platformer), Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker (I live in Europe), Star Fox, Mario Kart 8 dlc pack 2, Fire Emblem x SMT, Mario Party 10, Mario Maker, Devil's Third (though I don't think this looks like a fun game at all), etc. 

Plus I'm sure Nintendo is still holding a couple of surprises in their hand. ;) 

And since I also have a 3DS there's also Youkai Watch, Bravely Second, Pokémon Omega Ruby & Alpha Saphire, The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, STEAM, etc.

That's about 17 games that are currently announced already, of course I won't be buying all of them, but still plenty coming. 

I can play all your games on my PC.



Aerys said:
Being arrogant in such situation, only Nintendo does that

And the others don't?  



The majority of console owners have one console & don't have a "serious" gaming pc.

So all third party titles for ps4/xboxone are exclusive versus WiiU.

For people that have gaming pc or a second console , WiiU is  good value.

P.S. I hate that a Japanese Company like Nintendo have only one exclusive RPG.



Samus Aran said:
MegaManX said:
Samus Aran said:
MegaManX said:

As far as the One is concerned paying for the online works out far better to your advantage. First you get at least 3 games per month between 360 and the One. Secondly you can find a years worth of Gold for $35 several times throughout the year easily ( I have never paid more, since I stock up ever few years) so you are only paying on average a few bucks a month. Thirdly you get weekly discounts on Arcade games and digital retail games and DLC at heavy discounts, usually 50-75 percent off. Lastly you get a much more reliable and organized online experience with far more people on and activity.

Even if you never purchase one game in store or online, you can still get easily 30 plus games for free each year, and with the bundles being offered during these 2 months by MS and the black friday ads actually being better with sales than the Wii U I would have to disagree with the Wii U being the better value.

Plus you get a far better diversity of games since the Wii U is putting out little more than platformers, a couple hack and slash games, and it's generational installments of kart racing and Smash.

Let's check metacritic 90%+ games for variety in genre shall we:

Super Smash Bros. Wii U: 94% (fighting game)

Super Mario 3D World: 93% (3D platformer)

Rayman Legends: 92% (2D platformer)

Bayonetta 1 & 2: 91% (Hack and slash)

The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD (Action adventure & puzzle solving)

Guacamelee: 90% (2D platformer)

That's 5 different genres. Yes, I think 3D and 2D platformers have enough differences to call it a different genre.

XBONE:

Nothing. Wow, such variety!

What is XBONE still getting this year? Well, nothing. Wii U still has Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker on the way which is a 3D puzzle solving game. (in fact, it was first going to use Link as the main character!)

Well I can play 2 of those games on Xbox One (Rayman and Guacamelee) and 2 on my 360 (Bayonetta and Guacamelee).  That 's half your games I don't need a Wii U for.  LOZ and Smash are essentially ports of games I can play on other systems before they came out for less and 3D World is just mission pack sequel.  Bayonetta 2 is ok but that's all you have to show for it after 2 years on the market, a full years advantage!

Metacritic is honestly irrelevant, sure it's a gauge but it's hardly the last word on the quality or originality of a game.  If it were than Wii U wouldn't have been the first horse in the race now trailing in last place.  You also mention 1 or 2 games per genre as if that's supposed to last them the droughts that the Wii U is known for, there is no third party support so you sit around and maybe 1 or 2 retail releases will come out a month.  Like Kart Racing well there is only one to choose from, like fighting game, hope you like smash cause that's it.  Like hack and slash, well we got one and a port of another.  LOZ, well that will be another year to an original title, like third parties, we aren't getting any of those this generation.  

Xbox One has

FPS     Halo MCC (I assume ports are ok since you used LOZ), Sunset Overdrive, Destiny, Far Cry 4, COD AW, TItanfall

Survival Horror    Evil Within, Dead Rising 3, Alien Isolation

3rd person/Open World   GTA 5, Minecraft, Watch Dogs, Dragon Age Inquisition, Assassin's Creed Unity, Project Spark, Warframe

Fighting    Killer Instinct 1 and 2

Sports   FIFA 15  NHL 15, NBA 15, NBA 2k15, Pro Evolution Soccer 2015, WWE 2015 Madden 2015

Racing   Forza 2

RPG   Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor   Borderlands

Stealth   Styx

Adventure    D4   Ryse

Platformers/Kids   Lego Gotham 3, Disney Infinity, Skylanders TT

Tower Defense    Defense Grid 2

Platformer   Rayman Legends, Guacamelee, Max COB

There is over a dozen genres most of those games you won't find on a Nintendo console and those are all games that are out now, give the ONE another year and it will blow away the Wii U lineup of what...the next six months all I see as confirmed are Kirby and Captain Toad and maybe Splatoon and another Yoshi, that's all that's been confirmed for the first 6 months of next year, come on!

And I'm barely touching on all the great 2D and other great arcade games that cover generes from Pinball to Toy Soldiers.

Enjoy getting your bimonthly game and always having to pay full price while I get numerous games each month for free and for a reduced price which was the point of my post to begin with.  

 

This guy can play Bayonetta 2 on his XBOX360. What a miracle!

I don't want crappy games even if they're free. Though I did get Wind Waker HD, Pikmin 3, Bayonetta 1 and Super Mario 3D Land for free. ;) So much for paying full price, huh? 
What does the XBONE have lined up for exclusives next year? Do tell me. If you want to play third party games you're better off with a PS4.

Wii U has Zelda (action adventure), Splatoon (third person shooter), Xenoblade Chronicles (jrpg), Yoshi's Woolly World (2.5D platformer), Kirby (2.5D platformer), Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker (I live in Europe), Star Fox, Mario Kart 8 dlc pack 2, Fire Emblem x SMT, Mario Party 10, Mario Maker, Devil's Third (though I don't think this looks like a fun game at all), etc. 

Plus I'm sure Nintendo is still holding a couple of surprises in their hand. ;) 

And since I also have a 3DS there's also Youkai Watch, Bravely Second, Pokémon Omega Ruby & Alpha Saphire, The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, STEAM, etc.

That's about 17 games that are currently announced already, of course I won't be buying all of them, but still plenty coming. 

I can play all your games on my PC.


Ha I never said I could play Bayonetta 2 on my 360, but nice try.  

The Nintendo lineup is weak all around for next year, you get 1 maybe 2 per genre for only a handful of genres (if you don't like platformers, Smash or MK there is no reason to buy a Wii U at all) for the whole year and that's supposed to be acceptable?  Do we need another Mario Party, doesn't Little Big Planet already do what Mario Maker can do a thousand times better, what the hell does 3DS have to do with consoles?

LOL you are all over the place and yet the Wii U costs way to much for the weak software library and lack of genre diversity.  Seriously how is the Wii U still $300, it's the cheapest and has "the best games" yet it's biggest game besides Smash only sold a couple million.  It had a year headstart and took less than a year to drop to third place, It's just generational ports of their franchises these days for Nintendo, no new franchises, no new ideas, Pikmin 3, NEW Super Mario 4, another Mario party, maybe Pokemon 66, another mario 3d platformer, another LOZ, another Star Fox, no new game IP's just put it out for the Nintendo masses to bend over, and buy out $13 memory cards that look vaugely like our mascots. 

Knock COD or Assassin's Creed but they sell way better, often reinventing the time periods and settings, while I give Mario Galaxy credit, the 2 mario games this generation just suck by comparison.  No stories in Nintendo, nothing cinematic, innovative gamepads that not even Nintendo knows how to implement and the 3DS which gives people headaches.  

You can knock One and Ps4 all you want, but each generation brings out new franchises and actually gets games, arcade, 3rd party and their own exclusves that are unique and different and take chances, they don't abuse their franchises because they know nothing they put out with Mario whored out on it will sell and no third parties want to be bothered by the man-childs that blindly support Nintendo.  Look at the software to hardware ratio last generation to see that people with MS and Sony machines support and have a much greater variety of great games to play still to this day new games are coming out constantly including exclusives while the Wii was basically dropped over 3 years ago.  

Look you like what you like, you know what you get with a Nintendo console, the same franchises with nothing new, always full price to milk the consumer, a poor online and online buying experience, and underpowered hardware that's overpriced.  I prefer to get a next gen console, with a DVD and Blu Ray player, with a huge active online enviornment, tons of sales and free games for a few dollars a month, a huge lineup of games constantly coming game each month in a huge mix of genres, knowing I will get tons of 3rd party content including arcade and retail games, tons of diverse arcade games which never show up on Nintendo, and know that MS will support their console for years to come instead of the 4 or 5 year cycle where Nintendo dumps their console for a small boost in hardware.