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Forums - Sales - Global Hardware 8th of November 2014

Intrinsic said:
FATALITY said:
lol at people saying that sony needs a price drop.
the xbox numbers are good but i can't imagine how much money they are losing

if anything I think the numbers indicate that sony doesn't need a price drop. Look at all MS is throwing at the XB1 just to remain competetive. And everything weare seeing of the XB1 sales right now are just "boosts". We should all wait till numbers normalize again.

I think the XB1 is in a lot more trouble than people are letting on. $350 + free game or $250 + free game + traded in PS3/360 just to get ahead is saying a lot. Especially when the competiton does absolutely nothing. So what happenes when the PS4 is at $350 too and offering a free game?

I think Sony should hold of on a price cut until they can knock of either $80 or better still a full $100. Jumping straight to $299 would be huge. And you know Xb one will officially be $299 this time next year. I reckon Sony will be in a position to drop $100 by Oct or Nov next year.



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Even after all this the Wii U still can't manage 30k+ in Europe...



I know it is just Amazon, but US numbers hard to believe with Amazon showing basically a 3.5-4:1 X1 advantage that the VGC numbers indicate a 2:1 X1 advantage.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

binary solo said:

I think Sony should hold of on a price cut until they can knock of either $80 or better still a full $100. Jumping straight to $299 would be huge. And you know Xb one will officially be $299 this time next year. I reckon Sony will be in a position to drop $100 by Oct or Nov next year.

Yup, I think that is what sony will do. They will hold the price at $400 through most of next year. And at the or around oct/nov they will drop the price to $299. They may even surpise us all and drop it to $299 witha  bundled U4. Casue at that point they wil have well over 20M consoles sold and will know that most sales of the game will be to existing PS4 owners. So in truth they would be only giving away 300-500k copies of the game. We all know teher is going to be a $299 Halo5 bundle next yera. I think this is how sony will match it.



thx1139 said:
I know it is just Amazon, but US numbers hard to believe with Amazon showing basically a 3.5-4:1 X1 advantage that the VGC numbers indicate a 2:1 X1 advantage.


That's why Amazon tracking should never be used to show actual numbers.  It is a guide to show what is selling more than something else but not to determine ratio's.  Like i tried to explain in Seece's thread on the subject but everybody was too excited to see reason.



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binary solo said:

How do you come to this conclusion? this is what Mehdi wrote:

"The response to this wave of blockbuster game releases and new bundles has been amazing, and sales have skyrocketed since the new price took effect on Nov. 2. Compared to the previous week [Week ending 1 Nov], Xbox One sales in the US have more than tripled, which is exciting as more and more friends will be playing together this holiday. As we head into the busy holiday season Xbox One led generation 8 console sales in the US for the past two weeks. "

Because this PR was released on 12 Nov at most he's talking 2-12 Nov sales, so 11 Days. With the biggest days of that 10 day period being 2-8 Nov. triple 91K is 273K and it did over that. If he really is talking about an 11 day period then Xb one still would have pulled over 200K for 2-8 Nov given sales will have skewed towards that time period and proportionally ther would be lower sales during 9-12 Nov. But I think he's actually talking 2-8 Nov when he's saying more than triple. But I do acknowledge there is some ambiguity as to the time period he's referencing when saying triple the week priot to the price cut. The statement does not say "in the week following the price cut sales tripled". Who can say whether that's deliberate obfuscation or careless language? With PR one can never be exactly sure.

The second bolded was added by you, no?

Yeah... my mistake was that I used two weeks but it is fair to say it is 10 days because they are using MCC and Parity launch in the equation and the wrong VGC week.

So in 10 days they tripped the sales of the previous week... that I believe is the week before Nov 1 like you.

So using VGC 90k... 270k between these 10 days... with two big days Nov 2 and Nov 11... if you say 80% of the sales come from these two days I can see something like 170k for the first week and 100k for the others 3 days.

US Week ending 8th Nov 2014: ~170k
US Week ending 15th Nov 2014: > 100k

Using the VGC numbers is the key because they will change the number with the NPD today

In any case VGC is overtracking Xbone by ~100k in US this week ending 8th Nov.

 

PS. It is weird try to decrypt the MS spin... they can help us being more directly.



Robbie2010 said:
thx1139 said:
I know it is just Amazon, but US numbers hard to believe with Amazon showing basically a 3.5-4:1 X1 advantage that the VGC numbers indicate a 2:1 X1 advantage.


That's why Amazon tracking should never be used to show actual numbers.  It is a guide to show what is selling more than something else but not to determine ratio's.  Like i tried to explain in Seece's thread on the subject but everybody was too excited to see reason.

True, but VGC tracking the last several years havent been very accurate either.  So 1 grain of salt for Amazon and 1 grain of salt for VGC.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

thx1139 said:
I know it is just Amazon, but US numbers hard to believe with Amazon showing basically a 3.5-4:1 X1 advantage that the VGC numbers indicate a 2:1 X1 advantage.

How anyone will somehow see the sense in using chart numbers to depict actual sale numbers is beyond me. All Amazon is good for is picking out what is trending in sales. Nothing more.



ethomaz said:

binary solo said:

How do you come to this conclusion? this is what Mehdi wrote:

"The response to this wave of blockbuster game releases and new bundles has been amazing, and sales have skyrocketed since the new price took effect on Nov. 2. Compared to the previous week [Week ending 1 Nov], Xbox One sales in the US have more than tripled, which is exciting as more and more friends will be playing together this holiday. As we head into the busy holiday season Xbox One led generation 8 console sales in the US for the past two weeks. "

Because this PR was released on 12 Nov at most he's talking 2-12 Nov sales, so 11 Days. With the biggest days of that 10 day period being 2-8 Nov. triple 91K is 273K and it did over that. If he really is talking about an 11 day period then Xb one still would have pulled over 200K for 2-8 Nov given sales will have skewed towards that time period and proportionally ther would be lower sales during 9-12 Nov. But I think he's actually talking 2-8 Nov when he's saying more than triple. But I do acknowledge there is some ambiguity as to the time period he's referencing when saying triple the week priot to the price cut. The statement does not say "in the week following the price cut sales tripled". Who can say whether that's deliberate obfuscation or careless language? With PR one can never be exactly sure.

The second bolded was added by you, no?

Yeah... my mistake was that I used two weeks but it is fair to say it is 10 days because they are using MCC and Parity launch in the equation and the wrong VGC week.

So in 10 days they tripped the sales of the previous week... that I believe is the week before Nov 1 like you.

So using VGC 90k... 270k between these 10 days... with two big days Nov 2 and Nov 11... if you say 80% of the sales come from these two days I can see something like 170k for the first week and 100k for the others 3 days.

US Week ending 8th Nov 2014: ~170k
US Week ending 15th Nov 2014: > 100k

Using the VGC numbers is the key because they will change the number with the NPD today

In any case VGC is overtracking Xbone by ~100k in US this week ending 8th Nov.

 

PS. It is weird try to decrypt the MS spin... they can help us being more directly.

Yes 2nd bold is from me. Actually you are on to something there with Mehdi including the big MCC launch in the PR. This suggests he is comparing 2-11 Nov to the week ending 1 Nov. I still think Xb one topped 200k for 8 Nov week, but it does seem vgc has xb one higher than it should be. This discrepancy will be pretty small compared to the monthly sales reported in NPD, which we will never know, so there will be no way to validate the data.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

So, if those number are right, can anything save the Japan home console market?