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TruckOSaurus said:
A repeat of my hint for game #1 (seeing people's Top 10, many of you should be able to guess it):

Out of the 7 playable characters, 4 don't use their real names. (There's really only 6 main characters, the 7th is optional)

Chrono Trigger?

Marle - Nadia

Lucca

Robo - Promethius

Magus - Janus

Chrono

Frog - Glenn

Ayla



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Here's my full list for this year, quite a few changes I would like to make but that's going to have to wait for next year. I'll probably be writing my mini-review things for Dark Souls and Super Metroid on the 1st, busy day tomorrow.

50 Fallout 3
49 Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse
48 The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
47 Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team
46 Street Fighter IV
45 Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor
44 Shadow of the Colossus
43 Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
42 The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
41 Devil May Cry (1)
40 Halo 2
39 Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
38 Mega Man 2
37 Medieval II: Total War
36 Super Smash Bros. for 3DS
35 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
34 Portal 2
33 Mega Man X
32 Mega Man 4
31 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
30 TLOR: Battle for Middle Earth II
29 Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
28 Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
27 Super Mario Galaxy 2
26 Animal Crossing
25 Persona 4
24 The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
23 Metal Gear Solid
22 Super Mario Bros. 3
21 Super Meat Boy
20 Mega Man 9
19 Metal Gear Solid IV: Guns of the Patriots
18 Star Wars Battlefront 2
17 Civilization IV
16 Pokemon FiredRed/LeafGreen
15 Pokemon Emerald
14 Metroid: Zero Mission
13 Pokemon Heart Gold/Soul Silver
12 Victoria II
11 Earthbound
10 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
9 Metroid Prime
8 Half Life 2
7 Super Smash Bros. Melee
6 Age of Empires II
5 Team Fortress 2
4 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
3 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
2 Dark Souls
1 Super Metroid



Wright said:
S.Peelman said:

I know I know I know .

I even searched like you say because I was curious.


But do you know my #2? :P

I... don't .



axumblade said:
Top 5...

5. This is the first game in this series to allow players to replay levels.
4. Chronoscepter
1. Slap Glove, Parasol, War Fan, Super Slap, Frying Pan

#5: Super Mario Bros. 3? I feel like this could fit a billion games

#4: Turok: Dinosaur Hunter. It's the BFG of Turok!

#1: Fairly Odd Parents the Game. Okay though that reminds me of that cartoon's intro, I won't count this as a serious guess XD .



2Quick said:
TruckOSaurus said:
A repeat of my hint for game #1 (seeing people's Top 10, many of you should be able to guess it):

Out of the 7 playable characters, 4 don't use their real names. (There's really only 6 main characters, the 7th is optional)

Chrono Trigger?

Marle - Nadia

Lucca

Robo - Promethius

Magus - Janus

Chrono

Frog - Glenn

Ayla

With the game at number 2 in your list, I expect no less of you! It is Chrono Trigger.



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Here is my list of games. For the first time doing this, I really enjoyed it. It was challenging since a lot of your favorite games can't fit on the Top 10. And halfway I had some second thoughts about my choices, because there were games I have played and haven't added that I've considered really good entries. List is gonna be improved for next year. Here it is:

50. Gran Turismo 4 (2005, Polyphony Digital, PS2)

49. Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition (2005, Rockstar San Diego, PS2)

48. The Getaway (2003, Team Soho, PS2)

47. Far Cry 3 (2012, Ubisoft Montreal, PS3)

46. Bully (2006, Rockstar Vancouver, PS2)

45. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory (2005, Ubisoft Montreal, PS2/PS3)

44. Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (2007, Naughty Dog, PS3)

43. WWF No Mercy (2000, AKI Corporation, N64)

42. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2007, Infinity Ward, PS3)

41. Red Faction 2 (2002, Volition, Inc., PS2)

40. Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (2007, Insomniac Games, PS3)

39. Max Payne 3 (2012, Rockstar Studios, PS3)

38. Mass Effect 2 (2010, BioWare, PS3)

37. Deus Ex: Human Revolution (2011, Eidos Montreal, PS3)

36. Fallout 3 (2008, Bethesda Softworks, PS3)

35. Batman: Arkham Asylum (2009, Rocksteady Studios, PS3)

34. Ratchet & Clank (2002, Insomniac Games, PS2)

33. Tekken 3 (1998, Namco, PS/PS2)

32. Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time (2009, Insomniac Games, PS3)

31. Gran Turismo (1997, Polyphony Digital, PS)

30. Grand Theft Auto IV (2008, Rockstar North, PS3)

29. Super Mario Bros. (1985, Nintendo, NES/SNES)

28. Driver (1999, Reflections Interactive, PS1)

27. Red Dead Redemption (2010, Rockstar North, PS3)

26. Hitman: Blood Money (2006, IO Interactive, PS2/PS3)

25. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (2008, Kojima Productions, PS3)

24. Mass Effect 3 (2012, BioWare, PS3)

23. Grand Theft Auto V (2013, Rockstar North, PS3)

22. Assassin's Creed II (2009, Ubisoft Montreal, PS3)

21. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (2001, Konami Computer Entertainment Japan, PS2/PS3)

20. Gran Turismo 2 (1999, Polyphony Digital, PS)

19. Pokemon Blue Version (1998, Game Freak, GB)

18. Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker (2011, Kojima Productions, PS3)

17. LittleBigPlanet (2008, Media Molecule, PS3)

16. Grand Theft Auto III (2001, DMA Design/Rockstar North, PS2)

15. Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne (2003, Remedy, PS2/PC)

14. Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception (2011, Naughty Dog, PS3)

13. Super Mario Bros. 3 (1989, Nintendo, SNES)

12. Metal Gear Solid (1998, Konami Computer Entertainment Japan, PS)

11. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (2002, Rockstar North, PS2/iPad)

10. Batman: Arkham City (2011, Rocksteady Studios, PS3)

9. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando (2003, Insomniac Games, PS2)

8. Resident Evil 4 (2005, Capcom, PS2)

7. Mafia (2004, Illusion Softworks, PS2)

6. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (2004, Rockstar North, PS2/PC)

5. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (2004, Kojima Productions, PS2/PS3)

4. Super Mario World (1991, Nintendo, SNES)

3. Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal (2004, Insomniac Games, PS2)

2. The Last of Us (2013, Naughty Dog, PS3)

1. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (2009, Naughty Dog, PS3)



Mini essays for the top 3 incoming. No one guessed my third fave, but it was...

3. Deus Ex: Human Revolution (PC, also on PS3 & 360)


 

The prequel to the highly acclaimed Deus Ex, this really could have gone either way (especially after the disappointing sequel Invisible War which is just outside my Top 50). Fortunately, the devs took everything good from Deus Ex, but rather than make a pure carbon copy they also added their own inventive spin on the stealth, story and art style. Very few games manage to blend the genres of shooter, stealth and RPG so brilliantly.

For the most part, the gameplay was pure Deus Ex. Every quest and level had multiple paths and methods for completion. You need to get into the police station. Do you hack through a terminal? Sneak through the vents? Use one of your augmentations? Smooth talk your way through the front? Go in guns blazing? Or perhaps kill all the civilians and pile their bodies up to get access to the fire escape?! The possibilities were virtually endless. You played the game at your own pace and tailored the experience to your own play style.

The futuristic setting was incredibly detailed and brilliantly realised. The science was actually handled incredibly well and you could see a huge amount of research was done to ensure the setting was as realistic as possible whilst still being fun. It also helped the storyline which was far more mature than the vast majority of video games (and most Hollywood films for that matter). Rather than go for the typical action Sci-Fi story of most video games or going heavy on conspiracy theories like the original, they went for a more personal and philosophical approach by questioning what it is to be human. Very few games manage to pull off a story of this nature so successfully and still make the game fun. 

 

The new additions were generally good. The stealth cover system was actually brilliant and the new third person perspective added to the game rather than ruining immersion as I'd originally feared. The art style obviously had a lot of thought and looked stunning in all its renaissance, cyber punk glory.

However, the game did have a few faults that stopped it from getting the top spot. The first has since been rectified in the Director's Cut edition but was the use of compulsory and linear boss fights. This was in complete contrast to the rest of the game, but the boss fights are now more in keeping with the rest of the game. The Director's Cut also included the masterful Missing Link DLC which is a great addition to the game and presents an extra perspective on the story. The one thing the Director's cut didn't improve on was the ending which felt rushed and the final choices felt a little cheap. Even with these faults, it still manages to blend so many great elements of FPS, TPstealth and RPG genres so incredibly well that it's my third fave game of all time.



2. Half-Life 2 + Eps 1 &2 (PC, also on X-box and in Orange box on 360 & PS3)


 

Sequel to what is probably the most innovative FPS to ever grace the market, Half-Life 2 had a lot to live up to but boy did it deliver. When released, the animations were some of the best ever seen, the graphics were superb even on a low spec PC, the physics implementation was revolutionary, the characters felt real, the battles were suitably epic in scale and it introduced the superb concept of the gravity based weapon.

Much like the original, HL2 maintained the immersion by sticking to the first-person perspective. As the silent protagonist Gordon Freeman, you had the chance to let your imagination place your own persona into the image of Gordon Freeman. However, Valve took this concept and blew it out of the water with its dystopian setting and storytelling. Hidden extras in the world reveal tit-bits of info on the story and events leading up to HL2 plus  potential events in future games. You are always Gordon Freeman, so when/if you miss them, Gordon misses them. Control of Gordon's movements is always with the player, so when Gordon's physical abilities are impaired, the feeling of being powerless is amplified. This is done well near the end of HL2 but utilised expertly throughout Episode 2. 

Another factor that I think is often overlooked is the acting and animations of the characters. In most games, the acting is terrible and the characters feel like they're just generic plot devices. In HL2, the characters actually engage in real life actions. The actions of Alyx are where this is most apparent. The little details like when she's teleported to her father's lab and she smiles and gives him a kiss on the cheek. Easily missed, but little details like this help to breathe life into the characters.

I haven't even mentioned the superb game design Valve implement where early on they allow you to explore an area to get the lay of the land before entering a gun fight. Or the immense battles vs soldiers and gunships on dystopian rooftops closely followed by mass battles with striders. Or the well paced vehicle sections where just as they start to get boring, you move onto something else. Or the little puzzle sections that give you breathing room from all the action. Or the brilliant implementation of physics as a gameplay mechanic with the gravity gun brought into full glory in the creepy Ravenholm. Or the ant lion section where you control the beasts and use them to attack your enemies. The sheer variety and depth in the game is epic in every sense of the word. No other pure FPS does what Half-Life 2 manages in a single package. 

Now where's Half-Life 3?



And number 1 which hasn't changed since I first played through it.

1. Deus Ex (PC, also on PS2)


 

So, finally we reach number 1, although for anyone who looked at my previous lists, this should be pretty obvious. This is quite simply the greatest game ever created! So many different play-styles, so many different decision trees, and a fantastic story to boot. If you like FPS or you like RPGs (even better if you like both!), this game has to be played. The tech may be old, but the story, level-design and gameplay are timeless.

Set in a cyber punk world (set in the not too distant future) where a wide array of hidden political groups, terrorist factions, freedom fighters and advanced computer AI are all vying for their ideological future. You play JC Denton, a new nano-augmented agent for anti-terrorist organisation UNATCO. The first level shoves you in the deep end and immediately sets the tone for the rest of the game. You enter the docks to find terrorists have attacked the base to steal the month's supply of a vaccine for a global plague. You're tasked with finding the terrorist leader (alive). Immediately, your brother (a fellow agent) gives you the option of which weapon you want to carry: crossbow, sniper rifle or RPG.

You then have multiple options; Do you use stealth and sneak around? Do you go to the other side of the island and meet with the contact for the key to the front door? Do you pick the lock? Do you find a back way in? Do you hack the security systems and disable the cameras? Do you make for the ammo caches first? Do you go in guns blazing or silently take them down? Do you kill your enemies or just stun them? Do you avoid them altogether? Do you bother with the secondary objective and save the captured agent or just leave him? If you do rescue him do you give him a gun? When you reach your final objective do you follow orders or outright kill him?

All those decisions are on the first level and can have an immediate effect on the way other characters interact with you. The open and incredible level design continues with each following level or hub area leaving you to work out how best to tackle the challenges of each region. In the future, the choices you make have serious repercussions on the characters around you including whether they live or die. The repercussions aren't always clear-cut either. Whether your pilot Jock lives at the end of the game is based solely on your curiosity rather than a clear positive/negative decision tree seen in most RPGs. All these decision trees and the detail in the world (you can drink and eat food, read newspapers, hack computers to read e-mails, get drunk/high etc.) make this game deeply immersive.

In fact, the game is so ridiculously immersive to the point of embarrassment for me. I actually mistook the beeping of a stopwatch (in real life) for the sound the explosives make when they're about to go off and dived into the opposite room. Luckily, no-one saw, but yeah...


I haven't even talked about the story yet. A deep and involving plot that combines political intrigue, conspiracy and advanced science into one amazing package. What's so extraordinary is that it manages to retain an excellent storyline whilst still giving the player such huge freedom and choice. Only a select few games have ever achieved this, and I can't think of one that had as much choice as that offered in Deus Ex.

 

Add to all this the variety of weapons that included a measly batton/knife, grenades (EMP, gas, explosive), assault rifles, shotguns, RPGs, sniper rifles and massive energy weapons, plus all the different nano augmentations (enhancements) that included invisibility to either bots or organics, healing, super speed, spy bots, balistic protection plus visual enhancements, and you get an amazing package.

A Deus Ex prequel in Human Revolution made it to number 3, but even with the new graphics, the level of immersion is still slightly lacking by comparison as there is just a ridiculous amount of interaction with the world in the original. That and it had stupid boss fights whereas the originals boss fights still played out with multiple paths in mind. There were 3 different points you could fight Anna Navarre depending on player decisions for instance.

So the game was perfect in single player, many will complain the multiplayer wasn't that good. I entered the multiplayer with this in mind but have to say, I found it thoroughly enjoyable. The sheer variety of weapons and nano-augmentations kept it fresh, different and was actually a lot of fun. Basically, this game is incredible, and if you haven't played it, you owe it to yourself to give this a go. Oh and it also predicts the future as it predicted 9/11 a year before it happened! Play this game for a view into our future! If you can't stand the old school graphics then there's a High Def texture pack(s)/graphics mods for it:

 

http://www.moddb.com/mods/the-nameless-mod/tutorials/improving-deus-exs-graphics-with-mods 

 

 



And it's done. Thanks for running this again Smeags! I always have fun with this and I already know two games that are likely to make next year's list. So, final list:

50. Neverwinter Nights 2 (PC)

49. Unreal Tournament (PC)

48. Final Fantasy VI (SNES, PS, PSN, Android)

47. The Witcher (PC)

46. Wolfenstein: The New Order (PC)

45. God of War III (PS3)

44. Gran Turismo 5 (PS3)

43. Starquake (Amstrad CPC 464)

42. Bioshock Infinite (PC)

41. Assassins Creed IV: Black Flag (PC)

40. Tomb Raider/Tomb Raider Anniverssary (PS1, PC)

39. Tekken 3 (PS1)

38. Shadow of the Colossus (PS2)

37. Gran Turismo 6 (PS3)

36. Metal Gear Solid 4 (PS3)

35. Age of Mythology + Titans expansion /Age of Mythology: Enhanced Edition (PC)

34. Bomb Jack (Amstrad CPC 464)

33. Call of Duty (PC)

32. Final Fantasy X (PS2)

31. Portal (PC)

30. Starcraft (PC)

29. Fallout 3

28. Portal 2

27. Neverwinter Nights (PC)

26. Starcraft 2 (PC)

25. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (PC)

24. Dishonored (PC)

23. Assassins Creed II (PS3)

22. Call of Duty 4: Modern warfare (PC)

21. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (PS2)

20. The Witcher 2 (PC)

19. Age of Empires II & The Conquerors expansion (PC)

18. Legend of Zelda: Links Awakening (GB)

17. Metal Gear Solid

16. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2, PC & Android)

15. Uncharted 2 (PS3)

14. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (PC)

13. Half-Life, Half-Life Source & the Black Mesa mod (PC)

12. Age of Empires & The Rise of Rome expansion (PC)

11. Grand Theft Auto V (PC)

10. Mass Effect 3 (PC)

9. Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (PC)

8. Final Fantasy VII (PS1, PC)

7. Super Mario World (SNES)

6. Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (PC)

5. Dragon Age: Origins (PC)

4. Mass Effect 2 (PC)

3. Deus Ex: Human Revolution (PC)

2. Half-Life 2 & Episodes 1 & 2 (PC)

1. Deus Ex (PC)