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Justagamer said:
BMaker11 said:
JazzB1987 said:
BMaker11 said:

Shhhhhh! Showing games on better hardware (GC/Wii/XB) having better graphics than the PS2 versions doesn't fit the apparent narrative that the PS2 held back games and no one cared. No no no, these videos are all lies. It's photoshop manipulation. The multiplatform games in the PS2 era looked the same across all platforms because PS2 held back what the others could do. If you think Chaos Theory looked better on Xbox or Resident Evil 4 looked better on Gamecube, you're clearly a biased fanboy who is too blinded by your loyalty to Sony to see that PS2 held games back and they all looked the same.

Pretty hard sarcasm fail dude.

Go check history books and tell me why Xbox esclusives or Gamecube exclusives look so much better on those consoles compared to multiplatform.

As soon as someone says something against the Playstation consoles some people......

You know what go and compare God of War Collection on PS3 to the PS2 games. The world geometry and the character models etc are crap. Why? because the PS2 was WEAK. And so even the HD "remaster" (even if its just a lazy upressed port) is held back by the PS2s flaws.

Another example is Crysis 2 on PC. The consoles are significantly weaker than a PC. And in Crysis 2 the whole geometry was blocky. Battlefield 3 is also a pretty blocky game on PC simply because the consoles held back the PC versions. Having higher resolution etc is irrelevant the PC version suffered due to other hardware being crap.

But sure adding some shaders  to Just Cause or some nice snowflakes to TombRaider (which is basically no work) and keeping the rest basic due to the lowest commen denominator is totally not being held back.....

Explain to me why exclusive games on any console look better than multiplatform games on the same console? I'm pretty sure it's because the dev focuses 100% of their attention on the one console (but what do I know?). So what are you getting at? That because Halo 2 was Xbox exclusive and looks really good, the Xbox version of NFL 2K5 is no longer better than the PS2 version by a country mile? Because that's a silly argument.

Why would I compare a game to its own HD remaster in order to claim some sort of detriment? Especially an exclusive? What does GoW have to do with holding back other games? Yea, the PS2s had its flaws....but to use a game's own HD remaster? What kind of logic is this? Unless they go to the trouble of remastering textures, an HD remaster is, by definition, just an up-res. There's no "holding back" when the intention is to only HDify the game. Would a Jade Empire HD remaster have been some super game with Gears level graphics? Because that's what you're essentially implying (PS2 was weak, so an up-res is "held back"....but an up-res from other consoles' games on different platforms wouldn't be "held back")

And if you really think Crysis PC vs Consoles is comparable then lol, you need glasses. 

And sure, the Xbox/GCN versions of games just added a few extra shaders /s


Well, he specifically said crysis 2
...  crysis 1 was created exclusively on pc originally, then later ported to the 360. Crysis 2 was developed with consoles, so it was held back by them. Otherwise, how do you explain that crysis 2 looks worse than part 1 on pc? And as for the splinter cell video, well, that just shows that, damn, the original xbox was a beast of its time. It really did blow the doors off the ps2 in terms of power.


Thank you at least one person can read.


@everyone And even Splinter Cell was held back by the PS2 version. If you make the game for PS2 and then do a seperate version for XBOX the games would look even more better. The end result we got was PS2 version with added stuff and different character models. But the core of the XBOX version is still PS2 level it is in its core still the same game that was coded with PS2 in mind. (world geometry, hovercraft/ship etc etc)

And people should really stop looking at character models and shaders (Look at Resident Evil revelations on 3DS to see what I mean). Crysis 3 is still held back by the consoles. I have not played Crysis 3 enought to  make an educated guess  but I would assume even that is still looking worse than Crysis 1 in terms of geometry etc (and even if not well Crysis is from 2007 so what?)
And btw Crysis 3 runs at 20fps or so on consoles... (so its obviously holding back PC less than a 30FPS console title would)

Also its just normal for devs to get more out of old consoles. So having Crysis 3 on consoles be on par with a 2007 title is nothing to celebrate.



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JazzB1987 said:
Justagamer said:


Well, he specifically said crysis 2
...  crysis 1 was created exclusively on pc originally, then later ported to the 360. Crysis 2 was developed with consoles, so it was held back by them. Otherwise, how do you explain that crysis 2 looks worse than part 1 on pc? And as for the splinter cell video, well, that just shows that, damn, the original xbox was a beast of its time. It really did blow the doors off the ps2 in terms of power.


Thank you at least one person can read.

And even Splinter Cell was held back by the PS2 version. If you make the game for PS2 and then do a seperate version for XBOX the games would look even more diferent. The end result we got was PS2 version with added stuff and different character models. But the core of the XBOX version is still held back by the PS2 since it is in its core still the same game that was coded with PS2 in mind. (world geometry, hovercraft/ship etc etc)

First off, it wasn't a matter of not reading. I specifically searched "Crysis 2 comparison" and that video popped up. But I already did you one better by showing Crysis 3, which blows the console version out the water on PC.

And, actually, Splinter Cell has always been a more Xbox centric franchise, with Xbox being the lead platform and Xbox being the best version for pretty much every title. But they're all held back because they're the "same game"? What....were they supposed to be different games between the two consoles' respective versions? Are you seriously saying the flat out better graphics, lighting, textures, etc is still "held back"....because the game came out on PS2 as well? Or do you believe that lead platforms are the recipients of ports? You got the PS2 version with extra stuff....even though the Xbox version was actually coded with the PC in mind (Ubi Montreal dev'd it, then ported Xbox --> PC, whereas Ubi Shanghai did the PS2/GCN versions)? Ok.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about (or are just making stuff up), so I'm done here. Bringing up geometry...even though it still looks miles better on the PC. You can't discredit objective proof because it doesn't fit your agenda. It's only natural to get more out of old consoles so it's nothing to celebrate? So showing the PC version blowing out the console version doesn't mean anything? That just boils down to "oh no, don't talk about Crysis 3. That debunks my argument". Yea, I'm out. Because you're obviously missing the point of this discussion that there was no parity for Xbox vs PS2 or PS3/360 vs PC. PC looked better than PS3/360 games. Xbox games looked better than PS2 games. But this gen devs are "aiming for parity". People keep saying "nobody complained in the PS2 era when PS2 held back games"....well, at least the Xbox, GCN, and PC versions were still better and rightfully so. We aren't getting the same treatment this gen, in terms of the goals devs are having



Normchacho said:
Lets make a trade, the Xbox guys can have graphical parity (take the extra time to bring it up to PS4 level) and the PS4 guys get the game when the PS4 version is done instead of waiting for the Xbox version to catch up.

Unless Arkham Knight is 1080p/60fps I'm going to be displeased...

Time for Sony's first party to come out and put an end to this, just shame them so hard they can't force parity if they hope to compete.

That's exactly what happened last gen, and it will happen again this gen.   Killzone 2 and Uncharted made everything else look last gen, and all of the Sudden BF3 had extra AA and better textures on PS3.  This time the difference in power is FAR bigger so this should be pretty fun to watch...



Captain_Tom said:
Normchacho said:
Lets make a trade, the Xbox guys can have graphical parity (take the extra time to bring it up to PS4 level) and the PS4 guys get the game when the PS4 version is done instead of waiting for the Xbox version to catch up.

Unless Arkham Knight is 1080p/60fps I'm going to be displeased...

Time for Sony's first party to come out and put an end to this, just shame them so hard they can't force parity if they hope to compete.

That's exactly what happened last gen, and it will happen again this gen.   Killzone 2 and Uncharted made everything else look last gen, and all of the Sudden BF3 had extra AA and better textures on PS3.  This time the difference in power is FAR bigger so this should be pretty fun to watch...


Yep. Its already been happenig. Sony's exclusive have already outshined Microsoft, especially seeing that we've found out most of the Xbox Ones exclusives weren't even tailor made for the hardware because they were third party games MS paid or gained exclusivity through broken deals with Sony. Sony is only going to get better over the years and the until some years from now its only going to resolution war. Sooner or later the major FPS and Framerate issues will show and we all know who is going to bottleneck first.



Well that sucks...thanks X1 for consistently lowering the quality of multiplat games:)



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Captain_Tom said:
Normchacho said:
Lets make a trade, the Xbox guys can have graphical parity (take the extra time to bring it up to PS4 level) and the PS4 guys get the game when the PS4 version is done instead of waiting for the Xbox version to catch up.

Unless Arkham Knight is 1080p/60fps I'm going to be displeased...

Time for Sony's first party to come out and put an end to this, just shame them so hard they can't force parity if they hope to compete.

That's exactly what happened last gen, and it will happen again this gen.   Killzone 2 and Uncharted made everything else look last gen, and all of the Sudden BF3 had extra AA and better textures on PS3.  This time the difference in power is FAR bigger so this should be pretty fun to watch...

yup, once games like The Order, and Uncharted 4 hit I don't think you'll see too many more hackjob multiplats.



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