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ICStats on 10 November 2014
prinz_valium said:

most xbl member are on 360, yes. but old subscriptions doent make money for ms right now. thats already accounted in previous earnings.
only if u renew right now its making money for ms. and no1 knows if they do it for the xb360 or xb1. because its one subscription for both. and again. thats why its stupid to think its only the x360 that brings in the profits.

Renewals will happen throughout the year.  Surely you understand it's a random distribution; not everybody sighned up on the same date.  

A quarter of renewals will happen (oddly enough) in this quarter; possibly more due to the season.

There are far more XBL users than there are XB1 owners.  You can't count it for XB1 for people who don't have an XB1.

prinz_valium said:

the only point ur being right, is the games.

yes they sell more games on the xb360 right now. but even that will change this quarter. just look a crossgen sales. more units on current gen than last gen already. 
they only sell more overall 360 games, because of the big libary. but as i said. that will change this quarter

New games on new consoles have higher attach rates due to the smaller library; that's pretty normal.

Yes, XB360 game sales will continue to decline but that doesn't change the fact that it's probably bringing in the bacon right now.



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prinz_valium on 10 November 2014
ICStats said:
prinz_valium said:

most xbl member are on 360, yes. but old subscriptions doent make money for ms right now. thats already accounted in previous earnings.
only if u renew right now its making money for ms. and no1 knows if they do it for the xb360 or xb1. because its one subscription for both. and again. thats why its stupid to think its only the x360 that brings in the profits.

Renewals will happen throughout the year.  Surely you understand it's a random distribution; not everybody sighted up on the same date.  

A quarter of renewals will happen (oddly enough) in this quarter; possibly more due to the season.

There are far more XBL users than there are XB1 owners.  You can't count it for XB1 for people who don't have an XB1.

prinz_valium said:

the only point ur being right, is the games.

yes they sell more games on the xb360 right now. but even that will change this quarter. just look a crossgen sales. more units on current gen than last gen already. 
they only sell more overall 360 games, because of the big libary. but as i said. that will change this quarter

New games on new consoles have higher attach rates due to the smaller library; that's pretty normal.

Yes, XB360 game sales will continue to decline but that doesn't change the fact that it's probably bringing in the bacon right now.


i have live until 2017 i wont renew in the next quarter or year.
most subscribe to live via cards.

just lets assume 3m xbox one owner renew this year
and 3m xb360

or do u think the xb one number is way to high and the xb360 way to low? (even the ps4 has 50% ps+ subscriber. so the xb1 figurs is probably to low)
that would make it even. and thats what i said. its not the x360 only, that brings in the profits and money.

 



ICStats on 10 November 2014
prinz_valium said:

i have live until 2017 i wont renew in the next quarter or year.

It really doesn't matter.  You have 2 years sub; some people pay month-to-month.  At the end of the day you're a statistic out of 10+ million users, that average 30,000+ sub payments on any given day.  Pretty sure MS gets XBL money like clockwork every day / week / month / quarter.

prinz_valium said:

just lets assume 3m xbox one owner renew this year

and 3m xb360

or do u think the xb one number is way to high and the xb360 way to low? (even the ps4 has 50% ps+ subscriber. so the xb1 figurs is probably to low)
that would make it even. and thats what i said. its not the x360 only, that brings in the profits and money.

I think they get more XB1 subs than that, but I also think XB360 subs are much higher than 3 Million.  Probably over 10 Million.



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TheSting on 10 November 2014
Captain_Tom said:
Kerotan said:
prinz_valium said:
Kerotan said:
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toastboy44562 said:



 

vision. But if there is something in there like the X1 giving huge loses it's not good for it no matter what you say and they won't be happy. BTW my common sense is telling me MS has lost money on the X1 product from the day they started researching it's design. And with the way sales have gone WW and the drastic fire sale type price cuts i reckon it will be many a year before they re coup the costs. 


That really all depends on how much they care about losing.  The PS3 overtook the 360, but it required an enourmous financial undertaking that took the entire generation to (probably) recoup the losses.

IMO the X1 is in FAR worse shape than the PS3 was, and so (assuming PS4 still wins November) I doubt MS would want to bear that kind of burden right around the time they are shelving the Surface line.  How would it look to investors if both Surface an Xbox were canceled around the same time...


No they didn't recoup that lost money. One of the top guys said the PS3 may never be profitable enough to get that back. Investors lol. This is wishful thinking. Did you ever wonder or say anything about Sony's investors when the PS3 was murdering them? 



3sexty on 10 November 2014
TheSting said:
Captain_Tom said:
Kerotan said:
prinz_valium said:
Kerotan said:
prinz_valium said:
Kerotan said:
toastboy44562 said:



 

vision. But if there is something in there like the X1 giving huge loses it's not good for it no matter what you say and they won't be happy. BTW my common sense is telling me MS has lost money on the X1 product from the day they started researching it's design. And with the way sales have gone WW and the drastic fire sale type price cuts i reckon it will be many a year before they re coup the costs. 


That really all depends on how much they care about losing.  The PS3 overtook the 360, but it required an enourmous financial undertaking that took the entire generation to (probably) recoup the losses.

IMO the X1 is in FAR worse shape than the PS3 was, and so (assuming PS4 still wins November) I doubt MS would want to bear that kind of burden right around the time they are shelving the Surface line.  How would it look to investors if both Surface an Xbox were canceled around the same time...


No they didn't recoup that lost money. One of the top guys said the PS3 may never be profitable enough to get that back. Investors lol. This is wishful thinking. Did you ever wonder or say anything about Sony's investors when the PS3 was murdering them? 

And look at Sony's financials situation now - Sony investors did not scream out loud enough it seems. And of course according to the fuzzy logic of Sony apologists, only MS investors should be making a noise about the XBBOX One and Surface even though MS are raking in billions and meeting investor demands overall. Lol!



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Captain_Tom on 10 November 2014

vision. But if there is something in there like the X1 giving huge loses it's not good for it no matter what you say and they won't be happy. BTW my common sense is telling me MS has lost money on the X1 product from the day they started researching it's design. And with the way sales have gone WW and the drastic fire sale type price cuts i reckon it will be many a year before they re coup the costs. 


That really all depends on how much they care about losing.  The PS3 overtook the 360, but it required an enourmous financial undertaking that took the entire generation to (probably) recoup the losses.

IMO the X1 is in FAR worse shape than the PS3 was, and so (assuming PS4 still wins November) I doubt MS would want to bear that kind of burden right around the time they are shelving the Surface line.  How would it look to investors if both Surface an Xbox were canceled around the same time...


No they didn't recoup that lost money. One of the top guys said the PS3 may never be profitable enough to get that back. Investors lol. This is wishful thinking. Did you ever wonder or say anything about Sony's investors when the PS3 was murdering them? 


Show me proof of this (Seriously because I can't find anything).  What I can find shows decreasing losses from 2006-2009, and increasing profits from 2010-2011.  That leaves around 3 highly profitable years out of the equation that probably made it break even at this point.

 

As for "wishful Thinking" I am just speaking common sense.  MS' investors hate the Xbox/Surface/Windows Phone division because it is a money vampire.  As for calling me bias, I mean what do you want me to say about the PS3?  LOL it was incredibly inefficiently designed to the point of stupidity in some cases.  However Sony ate the losses so that never really affected the consumer even if having 5 useless card readers was stupid.



fleischr on 10 November 2014

Okay, this now has me interested in an X1!

And I'm one to usually stealth-troll on it lol.



I predict NX launches in 2017 - not 2016