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Aura7541 said:
TheDrill said:
Aura7541 said:
Torillian said:

Based on?

Selfish desire for something that is actually not happening.

I smile everytime I see comments like this, because I knew I was right almost 1 year ago, and today is proof of that.

And in 6 month or so everyone will make threads about me and talk how I was right from the very beginning.

Only that you weren't right. In fact, you were dead wrong. Stating your selfish desires over and over again won't magically make your predictions correct. 6 months later, it'll just be the same thing. You making baseless claims while the PS4 will continue to outsell the X1. We're still waiting for you to make that thread when the X1 outsells the PS4 in the US, but guess what? That's not going to happen 6 months later, if at all.

 

The Ps4 may have managed to outsell the X1 for month , and in November the X1 managed to cover like 3-5 whole monthys of that difference.

The X1 needs just another 2-3 months like this to cover all that long hard earned PS4 gap.



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TheDrill said:

The Ps4 may have managed to outsell the X1 for month , and in November the X1 managed to cover like 3-5 whole monthys of that difference.

The X1 needs just another 2-3 months like this to cover all that long hard earned PS4 gap.

November NPD hasn't come out yet. Don't know what you're talking about, but November is most likely going to be super close race. That means that the X1 will shrink the gap, but only by a teeny tiny amount. Also, the X1 has very few exclusives at the beginning of 2015 while the PS4 has Omega Quintet, MLB 15: The Show, Bloodborne, and The Order: 1886. It's going to be a long hard 2015 for the X1...



It might be able to but not for a while. If Microsoft didn't have a bad E3 last year the XB1 would have beaten the PS4 months ago.



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Torillian said:
TheDrill said:
Aura7541 said:
Torillian said:
TheDrill said:

It's mostly wii users that are buying ps4, pretty much all of X360 fans are buying X360.

Based on?

Selfish desire for something that is actually not happening.

 

I smile everytime I see comments like this, because I knew I was right almost 1 year ago, and today is proof of that.

And in 6 month or so everyone will make threads about me and talk how I was right from the very beginning.


I honestly hope not to the bolded, last thing I want to see is another John Lucas-esque broken clock that gets praised for the twice a day he's right while ignoring the rest.  

I'll tell you the same thing I told him, even if you end up right by some miracle you shouldn't be praised because you based it off of feelings and desires and no real thought.  You find evidence for what you want to happen and show it instead of making conclusions based on the evidence you find.  You're the creation scientist of sales analysts.  

 

I am pretty sure I have provided ample evidence across all my threads and/or posts I have made.

The summary is.

1) In the us X360/Xbox was a strong brand last generation, greatly outselling the PS3

2) Xbox exclusives, especially halo saled a lot more software than ps3 exclusives and even the highest selling PS3 games

3) The US is associated with FPS and Xbox 360 is a machine praised and appreciated for it's FPS games and very well designed online play (Xbox live)

4) Even with X1 being outsold in the US, it still manages to not only hold it's own (compared to other regions) but it also sales significantly more software (software attach ratio is higher) than that of the PS4 (per unit, not overall, even tho overall they are pretty close)

5) Previous points, especailly the 4th mean X1 owners buy more games on average, noticeably more FPSes, which often have a competitive or cooperative nature, that drives other people to buy X1, and considering the reputation and strong brand, most X360 owners will migrate.

6) X1 is outselling the X360 from previous generation



TheDrill said:

 

I am pretty sure I have provided ample evidence across all my threads and/or posts I have made.

The summary is.

1) In the us X360/Xbox was a strong brand last generation, greatly outselling the PS3

2) Xbox exclusives, especially halo saled a lot more software than ps3 exclusives and even the highest selling PS3 games

3) The US is associated with FPS and Xbox 360 is a machine praised and appreciated for it's FPS games and very well designed online play (Xbox live)

4) Even with X1 being outsold in the US, it still manages to not only hold it's own (compared to other regions) but it also sales significantly more software (software attach ratio is higher) than that of the PS4 (per unit, not overall, even tho overall they are pretty close)

5) Previous points, especailly the 4th mean X1 owners buy more games on average, noticeably more FPSes, which often have a competitive or cooperative nature, that drives other people to buy X1, and considering the reputation and strong brand, most X360 owners will migrate.

6) X1 is outselling the X360 from previous generation

So, can we bring up the stuff from your earlier posts that WEREN'T so brilliant?

For example, you rather implicitly stated that the catalyst for this reversal was the upcoming price cut (the one in June,) and how it would 'start selling a lot more,' while also making it clear that the sales gap with the PS4, on a month-to-month basis, was quite small. Clearly, you expected that from June, the Xbox One would begin to close the sales gap, even if a little, or at least KEEP it within the May gap you specified as around 322k. That was, you must agree, almost ludicrously incorrect, as not only did the gap between the sales of the two consoles did not shrink at all during the summer or early fall period, post Kinectless-release, the gap in fact more than tripled from the time of your writing up until November. So, we can admit that the expectation you had of the Xbox One beginning to turn things around so early on was incorrect, yes?

Don't even give me started on how virtually all your numbers have, since then, ended up being revised and altered by VGChartz updates. xP Kiiind of torpedos any semblance of a correctly made analysis, no?

In any case, I suppose your conclusion could turn out to be correct, and even that's uncertain considering you DID give yourself an 'expiration date' in your original prediction, but all the math, analysis and estimations you made in the meantime were completely off base? =D That's essentially why nobody's going to congratulate you, man; you announced it would definitely snow tomorrow, hauled out all kinds of complex looking calculations that turned out to be, essentially, improperly done, using false data, and ultimately wrong, and yet it ended up snowing anyway. Congrats, you predicted the weather. But it's winter, and in the matter of 'Snow Vs Not Snow,' you had literally a 50/50 chance. A dart thrown at a pair of labelled Post-Its would have ended up accomplishing the feat, only at least the dart thrower wouldn't try gloating about how his luck was ultimately TOTAL skill. =P

Now, if you had said in your original thread; 'Microsoft is likely going to get its ass kicked for several more months, due to the content drought and Destiny launch in September, heck, maybe even up until the end of the year, BUT I believe they will strike with a hard offensive complete with price cuts and bundles that will gobble up a solid sales lead come November,' that'd be impressive.



(Also, this isn't just towards Drill, but I'm curious because he expected the gap to be closed by the end of the year, or 'By January,' though kind of figure he'll now claim it was by the very END of January. How much gap, based on current numbers, is there left to go? =P We really should make a TheDrill countdown thread, methinks, see if he hits the target by fluke. Because, y'know, even if the Xbox One DOES close the gap, if it's as late as the beginning of Febuary, he's still completely wrooong. =D )



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FIT_Gamer said:
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Aura7541 said:
You can't just rely on the last two months of the year for huge sales. The best consoles in history have sold well each year, all year. The X1 did not sell well from January to now despite countless deals. This problem will be even more pronounced next year because the PS4 will have way more games than this year, especially in exclusives.


X1 will have a lot more exclusives next year too. MS' goal should be to maintain the $50 gap IMO, if they can win on the value proposition side they have a good chance in the US to be competetive. 

Not really. Everything they've announced for Xbox One is launching at the end of the year. Besides a few indies looking 10 month dry spell for Xbox One. Unless Microsoft have some short notice surprises.

Quantum Break, Fable Legends and Ori and the Blind Forest will all be released before the E3 in 2015. There may be a couple other games as well, that get's released. True though, Microsoft has some 20+ games (Exclusive & New Ips) that will be released in the 2nd half of 2015. Which is why Phil Spencer said they may have to move a few of them into 2016.



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Torillian said:
TheDrill said:

I smile everytime I see comments like this, because I knew I was right almost 1 year ago, and today is proof of that.

And in 6 month or so everyone will make threads about me and talk how I was right from the very beginning.


I honestly hope not to the bolded, last thing I want to see is another John Lucas-esque broken clock that gets praised for the twice a day he's right while ignoring the rest.  

I'll tell you the same thing I told him, even if you end up right by some miracle you shouldn't be praised because you based it off of feelings and desires and no real thought.  You find evidence for what you want to happen and show it instead of making conclusions based on the evidence you find.  You're the creation scientist of sales analysts.  


Can we patent this creation scientist of sales analysts?



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TheDrill I am pretty sure I have provided ample evidence across all my threads and/or posts I have made.

comeeeee onnnnnn drilly,not evidence,but fanboy hopes,.you were making prediction based off of a 400$ xone sku making a comeback, and if they keep that pricepoint,there was no way in the deepest pits of hell the xone was ever gonna cover ground on ps4.... luckily(for your predictions) there was a mass fire sale giving everything away for pennies on the dollar, even with that said,if ps4 can keep a steady supply of tlou/gta5 bundles at $400,it will outsell the xone bundles in the global states like they were when it was in stock at amazon/gamestop ect

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TheDrill said:


Xbox fans are extreemely loyal, just like apple fans.

You very rarely see an xbox fan change console, regardless of price or quality.

Damn it, and I believed those hordes of 360 owners over at Gaf when they posted they'd moved to PS4. How short sighted of me.



 

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