It's clear that they can't even get third parties to give them the time of day in the first place, like the debacle with EA where unprecedented partnership turned into the console treated worst by EA since the damn Dreamcast, and all happened before the console even landed. So it's not like "we tried, but ran into problems because Nintendo's a bad partner to work with," it's more "we refused to try." Now, they may have had good reasons for doing so, and i'm suppressing my innate bias against the major third parties in this, but my point is that trying isn't worth it for Nintendo, which might not be third parties' fault, and might not be Nintendo's fault, just that we're past the point where rebuilding the relationship is worth it for Nintendo.

My guess is that the only way Nintendo could have gotten worthwhile third party support would have been with an x86 machine with 8 GB of RAM: do what the competition has done, as close as possible. This would not be worth it to Nintendo, so don't bother.

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That has what to do with anything?

As long as wiiU can make enough money to cover its costs is ok. The thing is, Nintendo is still bleeding money from the wiiU and even though the console itself is no longer sold at loss, they have other costs related to wiiU. Let's hope they can continue with a weekly baseline of 40-50k throughout the year and the usual bump in the holidays, so wiiU is not discontinue any time soon and reaches those 20-25M of loyal hardcore clients.

At 50,000 units sold per week, it won't get close to 20 million lifetime sales let alone 25....

With the usual bump during the christmas I think it can achieve that mark, I just don't know if Nintendo will keep nurturing it long enough with games just to achieve those unimpressive numbers. Even though for WiiU 20-25M looks like an impressive achievement, it's still quite low.

Nothing can save it. It was destined to fail cause the idea behind the console wasn't very good.

I wonder why GC didnt work.

An usual controller, powerfull console, cheaper than the others(man, 99$ at 2 years from launch), no software droughts, strong Nintendo line up, new nintendo IPs, more thrid party support than Wii U.

GC had implemented what everybody is complaining why Wii U is not selling. But why didnt GC sell?

Nope. They need to satisfy their existing audience and start potting Nintendo home console 8

Wii U will crawl to 18m-20m

Hey, as long as Nintendo does well, that's all I care about. When gamers get to the fanboy side of sales, it sickens me. As gamers, we should uplift the growth and development of each major contributor, even if we don't like them. That just came from reading all these posts. But, the Wii U is its own beast. It fends for itself and still produces killer content. Nintendo, quite frankly, held the success of the U in their own hands. With a $180 controller, it's hard to make profit yet that is Nintendo's goal and I support it. However, if the Wii U had not gone with a $180 controller they'd make profit on every Wii U sold.

You'd be getting a $180-$200 basic unit which plays games that look stunning. It amazes me of what Nintendo could have done sales wise if they had just dropped the pad. It's not like any game uses it that well anyway! Don't get me wrong, I'm open to the new styles of play but there's a time when you have to look at what's before you and make a sound decision. I do not think the Gamepad was a sound decision. The Wii U will need to save itself with its own creative mind. The PS4 and Xbone have all the shooters and sports games to make them a success and that's fine because nobody usually buys Nintendo consoles for Call of Duty or Halo. In short, the taste of gaming is changing and I guess that's healthy for the moment.

I honestly believe that this console will do worse than the Gamecube but by no means am I knocking Nintendo out of the game. When they're fed up, they'll show it. Until that time comes, just sit back and play games. Voicing how well a system sells is quite wasteful I think. Especially if you're not at a shareholder meeting. All this "what's gonna save what" and "who's gonna save who"... it's so dumb. It makes me so shameful that I actually belong to the gaming community. At least I can watch AVGN. Don't take anything to offense, just read.

I truly hate these type of Wii U speculation discussions. Of course Nintendo won't have the Wii U to be a failure. Sure, it's two years in, but we still haven't received the promised AAA software that is mostly coming in 2015. Nintendo is very well known for its systems being slow to pick-up, but also for its software to have very long legs.