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CTR , I still play it to ths day , Its the only game besides Buzz! , I can get my family to play. iT IS JUST AWESOME.



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darconi said:
NYANKS said:
I'm just saying that 17 reviews is a decent amount to get an idea about a game. It's not when Brawl had three and people were calling it the best game ever. I'm sure they're close is all I'm saying. And show me an aspect of the game where MK really outshines CTR. Then we can move forward.

Read up, general consensus is that the multiplayer battle was better than CTR. And don't argue that you may think CTR is better than in that because at that point, you can always argue personal preferences.


 And i forget but was it 4 player multi out of the box?  I remember the psx only having 2 controller slots.  If so, that's a huge win for MK64



darconi said:
konnichiwa said:
darconi said:
d21lewis said:
CTR: 91%

MK64: 86%


That's not exactly a fair comparison, those reviews were set a long time ago when most reviews were done offline. Because of that MK64 only had 17 reviews while CTR had 2x the number of reviews. MK64 actually had 2 reviews that were incredible outliers, gamspot and another place gave it a 64 and 60 while everyone else gave it 80+. That skews the scores too much due to low # of reviewers.


=/ If it was in the other way you would complain CTR only had 17 reviews and MK64 two times so much reviews...


 Wow, way to not understand anything about how statistics or averaging works.  Whenever you have small base sizes, it's easy to skew either really high (see Melee being around 100% with 4 reviews) or really low like in this case because of outliers.    

Regardless of which one has more or less, its not representative here. 

And for NYANKS who is obviously leaning towards anything that will favor their view, gamerankings doesn't even consider any game for official top lists unless it has 20 or more. 

 


 Mario 64 only had 22 reviews ( ONLY 5 reviews more than  MK 64) will you make a big deal about his score too?






konnichiwa said:
 

Mario 64 only had 22 reviews ( ONLY 5 reviews more than MK 64) will you make a big deal about his score too?


 Why are you bringing another completely unrelated issue into the argument? 

 Are you actually going to refute the actual argument I made that low base sizes can lead to skewed results because of outliers?  Either argue the points I made or accept it.



Look this is from IGN:

Crash takes the best parts of Nintendo's Mario Kart and Diddy Kong Racing (which by the way was also fabulously unoriginal), brews them up in to a fresh polygonal world, and puts a Crash Bandicoot face on the kart genre. But the kart formula hasn't changed much here since Mario Kart on the Super NES. Race for first place and tag buddies with as many power-ups as possible to dismantle, destroy, and undermine their chances in every single lap. At the same time, players need to look for shortcuts, learn the ins-and-outs of the courses, and become a better driver, too.

Players can choose from all of the goofy characters in Crash's world, including Crash, Dr, Neo Cortex, Tiny Tiger, Coco Bandicoot, Pura, Polar, Dingodile, N. Gin, plus bonus characters, and play through several play modes. For quick and dirty one-off, players can choose Arcade Single, but if they want to blast through more than 17 of the courses than they should choose Cup, a race that pits you in four races in which the winner gets the best accumulative point score. There are four cups, each with four races in them, and a big winners parade at the end.

Also selectable is Adventure, which mimics Diddy Kong's single-player mode almost perfectly, except they don't get to pilot a plane or a hovercraft (Darn!). Players do, however, get to explore new and freaky areas of Crash's world, from sandy deserts to polar caps to mountainous ranges, too. Each time Crash wins trophies, keys or special icons, he opens up a new course, or an entirely new realm filled with new challenges. Bosses appear at the end of each of the worlds to signify your success in that area.

Another mode to play is Time Trial, which is based solely on time, and then save their best times as a ghost to play against in any future race. Or, when as many as three other friends are available, you can turn to Battle, a multiplayer kart racing section that makes use of the Multitap peripheral.

For those who have played kart games before, and I've played many, CTR pays a lot of attention to the games in its heritage, and in so many ways it excels over them, especially in the technical department. First off, there aren't really any kart games on the PlayStation to compare this game to. The rest all pretty much suck. So I'm going to compare this straight up with Mario Kart 64 and Diddy Kong Racing, the two best on the console circuit. Naughty Dog took apart every aspect of those games, at least that I could see, and made CTR a better game. First, the game is fully polygonal, and the characters are all polygonal, too, something that Mario Kart wasn't, but Diddy Kong was. That basically enhances the game's looks, and gives it a better overall gloss. Diddy Kong, despite its marketing technology called "RDA" (realtime dynamic animation), still suffered from slowdown. CTR suffers from none whatsoever. Not even in multiplayer.

Second, Mario Kart offered several courses based on a variety of racing, dirt bike, kart, street racing, whatever. So does Crash. It's got the frozen, icy levels, the desert levels, your tubular courses, and the floating-in-mid-air courses. What would we do without the obligatory hovering-somewhere-in-the-atmosphere courses? But CTR is riddled with little differences that make the game more enjoyable than your average kart game. Bash though at least one tube section and watch as your kart scrapes the wall, while little fiery sparks fly off. Nice subtle touch. In the icy levels, when any one of the riders hits the actual frozen lake sections, the sliding physics are remarkably realistic, far more than in any kart game on the PlayStation. Grab 10 apples and watch as your arsenal grows more powerful and your speed increases, just like in Diddy Kong. And while taking certain turns, some of the road shoulders are up on another level, and the karts adjust in 3D without a hitch. These are just some of areas Naughty Dog addressed that make CTR a superior kart game.

The list goes on and on, and with at least one exception, I think they're all totally credible. This one is just too damn close for comfort, and it simply must have been left in as a ridiculous joke. When playing as Crash, he says at least two things, one when he's smashed, and another when he is sent spinning. When he spins off, he says, "woah-whoa-whoa-whoa," EXACTLY like the voice of Luigi in Mario Kart. Is that some kind of joke or what?


These are the closing comments:

But most folks have only a few choices come the winter the winter holidays. So, here's the bottom line, all cynicism aside. Like I said in the beginning, once you get past the insanely capitalistic smile of Crash, the game is rock solid in playability and graphics. Hell! It's a four-player kart game that's on the PlayStation. Isn't that enough? I mean, not only that, but none of the problems of the other kart games even exist in this one. So what's all the fuss about? If you want a pure party game -- and the best kart game on PlayStation or Nintendo, for that matter -- get Crash Team Racing.


Now I admit he says some negative things, but I think the final comments really sum it up. Also, CTR got 8.5 on IGN and MK 64 got 8.1.



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darconi said:
konnichiwa said:
darconi said:
d21lewis said:
CTR: 91%

MK64: 86%


That's not exactly a fair comparison, those reviews were set a long time ago when most reviews were done offline. Because of that MK64 only had 17 reviews while CTR had 2x the number of reviews. MK64 actually had 2 reviews that were incredible outliers, gamspot and another place gave it a 64 and 60 while everyone else gave it 80+. That skews the scores too much due to low # of reviewers.


=/ If it was in the other way you would complain CTR only had 17 reviews and MK64 two times so much reviews...


 Wow, way to not understand anything about how statistics or averaging works.  Whenever you have small base sizes, it's easy to skew either really high (see Melee being around 100% with 4 reviews) or really low like in this case because of outliers.    

Regardless of which one has more or less, its not representative here. 

And for NYANKS who is obviously leaning towards anything that will favor their view, gamerankings doesn't even consider any game for official top lists unless it has 20 or more. 

 


 I have a better idea to let you shut up with your nonsense.

This are the magazines/sites that reviewed MK64 and CTR.

First % => MK64
Second % => CTR

GamePro 100.00%/100%
Electronic Gaming Monthly 92.5%/93%
Electric Playground 90.0%/95%
Gaming Age 88.0%/90%
IGN 81.0%/85%
Game Revolution 75.0%/90%
GameSpot 64.0%/84%
Next Generation 60.0%/100%


Happy now?  So you can see CTR never had a score under MK64 at any of those sites/mags.


If you are going to weep now please go to an other forum we don't need persons like you.

Bye.






konnichiwa said:
 

I have a better idea to let you shut up with your nonsense.

This are the magazines/sites that reviewed MK64 and CTR.

First % => MK64
Second % => CTR

GamePro 100.00%/100%
Electronic Gaming Monthly 92.5%/93%
Electric Playground 90.0%/95%
Gaming Age 88.0%/90%
IGN 81.0%/85%
Game Revolution 75.0%/90%
GameSpot 64.0%/84%
Next Generation 60.0%/100%


Happy now? So you can see CTR never had a score under MK64 at any of those sites/mags.


If you are going to weep now please go to an other forum we don't need persons like you.

Bye.


 Wow, you are a very little person if you think this was the point.  Do I care if MK64 or CTR is better?  Hell no, the whole point was comparing ratings of two games with two different number of reviews was not an accurate measure.  

So either grow up and learn something about debate and statistics or don't bother making stupid statements. 



I've never played CTR -- and I like cart racing (have the ill-fated CNR for Xbox which I got before getting a GC) and I can say it is not all that great.

What I do know is that MK64>AtariKarts (Jag).

I will have to find a copy of CTR to try out.

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darconi said:
konnichiwa said:
 

I have a better idea to let you shut up with your nonsense.

This are the magazines/sites that reviewed MK64 and CTR.

First % => MK64
Second % => CTR

GamePro 100.00%/100%
Electronic Gaming Monthly 92.5%/93%
Electric Playground 90.0%/95%
Gaming Age 88.0%/90%
IGN 81.0%/85%
Game Revolution 75.0%/90%
GameSpot 64.0%/84%
Next Generation 60.0%/100%


Happy now? So you can see CTR never had a score under MK64 at any of those sites/mags.


If you are going to weep now please go to an other forum we don't need persons like you.

Bye.


 Wow, you are a very little person if you think this was the point.  Do I care if MK64 or CTR is better?  Hell no, the whole point was comparing ratings of two games with two different number of reviews was not an accurate measure.  

So either grow up and learn something about debate and statistics or don't bother making stupid statements. 


 If you don't care about it you would not have made a big deal about the fact that MK64 had less reviews than CTR...


Especially for you I searched witch sites made a review about MK64 and CTR.

That's fair right?

Well if you think GameSpot is biased against Nintendo then you can scrap that one but are you going
to say now that EGM, EP, GA, IGN, GR,NG are all also biased against Nintendo?


Well I made a research the only thing you did was complaining that it isn't fair that MK64 had less reviews...

*gives handkerchief*  

Bye.






konnichiwa said:
 

If you don't care about it you would not have made a big deal about the fact that MK64 had less reviews than CTR...


Especially for you I searched witch sites made a review about MK64 and CTR.

That's fair right?

Well if you think GameSpot is biased against Nintendo then you can scrap that one but are you going
to say now that EGM, EP, GA, IGN, GR,NG are all also biased against Nintendo?


Well I made a research the only thing you did was complaining that it isn't fair that MK64 had less reviews...

*gives handkerchief*

Bye.


 The reason why I brought it up initially was so that people don't go blindly comparing things they shouldn't be.  There's already enough problems with people not understanding statistics that unless you're advocating ignorance, its a completely valid point.  

Its a much better argument the way you did it where you compare the most relevant reviews (same sites that review both and compare vs each other).  And based on your numbers, I would agree that most of those sites find it better.  Its a much better argument than a random post saying: oh look, one # vs one #, answered & done.