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Nintentacle on 18 October 2014
binary solo said:
Nintentacle said:

The last one didn't work out well: Complaints about everything! The new and improved!

Sura 7:157 says "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel"

In other words, until someone finds the name of Muhammad in the Torah (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, or Deuteronomy), or the Gospel, no one has a reason to believe.

He is mentioned in the Torah and Gospel just not directly by name. But he is there. You just have to know the correct maning of the relevant passages. The Book of Revelation in particular in the NT contains a few references. The Beast and the multi-headed dragon and 666 all that are representations of Muhammad's betrayers.

Islam and Christianity have very similar end times. The Mahdi in Islam is replaced by the Antichrist in Christianity, Jesus by the False Prophet, and Dajjal by Jesus Christ.

Taking this into account, the Mahdi/Antichrist will force a one world religion (Mahdi will do Islam, unknown for Antichrist. Although Islam is a possibility; Look up "Chi Xi Stigma") and kill Jews and Christians.

Assuming the Chi Xi Stigma interpretation is correct, than the end times in Christianity and Islam are the exact same, but the bad guys are replaced with good guys.

Another thing to note, is that it says the one Allah abhors most will call himself "King of Kings", which is exactly what Jesus calls himself in the Book of Revelation.

In my opinion, either Muhammad is either unoriginal, or Islam is Satanic.



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LurkerJ on 18 October 2014
sundin13 said:
LurkerJ said:

I am not asking about the purpose of life. I am asking why Allah calls himself the most merciful. A grand gesture of mercy would've been not creating the world we live in at all. But Allah did create this merciless world. The purpose you guys are talking about makes the matter even worse. It also leads to another question: Why did Allah need to create and test his creatures? 

(I know very little of the Qur'an, but a decent amount about the Christian Bible, so consider my expertise to be in general theology)

I assume the mercy comes in by the fact that Allah/God gives us a chance to have eternal salvation. We unfortunately threw away so many of the chances we were given by eating of the forbidden fruit and murdering Jesus and repeatedly showing our sinful nature, but God still loves us. He has not destroyed us, could that not be considered the ultimate act of mercy by an all powerful creator? He is giving us all a chance to prove we are good, is that not generous? 

Why create and test creatures? Well that is a much more difficult question. God is not human, and thus he doesn't use human logic. I could humanize God by talking about the desire to create and the desire to love and the desire to be loved, but that is humanizing. We can't know how the Creator thinks and as such, I don't think that question holds much merit.

LurkerJ said:

This raises more questions than it answers. Allah created naturally destructive creatures. If Allah is merciful, he should forgive us all for acting in our nature. The answer to your question would be Yes! Naturally destructive humans deserve his mercy. 

We are not beasts. Beasts are forgiven for their nature, we are given knowledge and wisdom and the ability to choose between right and wrong. We are not naturally good or evil, we make the choice of who to be. And yet, we are still forgiven for our sins when we make the wrong choice. God understands that we will make mistakes and we will sin, that is why he forgives us if we truly repent. Is that not also mercy?

I will come back to this later. I need to accomplish my daily tasks irl. Looking forward to have a discussion on the stuff you mentioned. :)



Nintentacle on 18 October 2014
comflash2 said:
Nintentacle said:

Can you just tell me where It's in the Torah and/or Gospel?

Also: I'd be nice to explain why the Christian Jesus is the Muslim Dajjal, the Christian Antichrist is the Muslim Mahdi, and the Christian False Prophet is the Muslim Jesus in the end times? Along with that, can you explain the Chi Xi Stigma/666 thing, how It's hidden in Bismillah, meaning (Assuming the interpretation is correct), the Bible said there would be a Muslim Antichrist before Islam said he Mahdi (Who is very similar) would be a prophet?

Thanks.


Regarding Torah/Gospel quotation, please check the video. There is tons of quotation taken from old and New testament showing Muhammad in the bibles, and not what church intepreting (against the bible text). Take your time to understand. I hope this thread is about educating and understanding and not "flaming" and spread the hatred.

Here is my anwer for your other questions:
1) Christian Jesus is not Muslim Dajjal. We believe when the Jesus (Isa) will return to earth (2nd coming), Muslim and Christian can idendify him as Jesus. He will correct misconception of Christian that he is god. Devoted Christian will later join Muslim to fight with Dajjal. Jesus is the reason for the unity between Christian and Muslim and with both combine, they will strong enough to fight Dajjal (which is failed to be defeated by Mahdi). So, the answer is.. Christian is not Dajjal.
2) I'll not comment on Mahdi as Christian AntiChrist from christian perspective... but in muslim perspective, Mahdi is the best imaam (leader). When muslim is strong but in chaos due to not having a true leader, they are attacked by Gog and Magog. Mahdi reluctant to be a leader but later forced to take the leadership from muslim. Syiah and Sunni muslim both recognized this is Mahdi. Mahdi is the reason of Sunni and Syiah unified and together, they are strong enough to defeat Gog and Magog. However, they are not strong enough to defeat Dajjal. Then Jesus come (read my answer (1))
3) Bismillah didnt have any 666/chi. Not sure where u get that. Perhaps from some conspiracy website? . Bismillah is  the glorification of Allah. The meaning is "In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful". We read bismillah everytime before we start to do any work, eat, drink, talk etc. Everything what we did we hope for Allah pleased (Redha)

1. It'd be easier for me if you show me where it says in the Torah (5 books of Moses) and/or Gospel Muhammad is mentioned.

2. This is why I think it is similar: In Islam, Mahdi will be a great leader, undefeatable, will kill Jews and Christians, make Islam a one world religion, make a 7 year peace treaty with Israel, overtake Jerusalem, and fight a huge war (He will win)

In Christianity, the Antichrist is charismatic, undefeatable, will kill all who oppose him, make a 7 year peace treaty with Israel, make himself as God in Jerusalem/have a one world religion, and fight a huge war (He will lose)

In Islam, the Dajjal does war against Mahdi and his army.

In Christianity, Jesus Christ does war against the Antichrist and his army.

Another thing to note is that Allah says the one who he will abhor most in that day is the person who calls themselves the King of Kings, which Christianity claims that is who Jesus is (Revelation 19:11-16).

3. It looks like the Chi Xi Stigma symbols are there to me:

Chi Xi Stigma:

 

Bismillah:

 

Then this: 



Nintentacle on 18 October 2014
freedquaker said:
Nintentacle said:

The last one didn't work out well: Complaints about everything! The new and improved!

Sura 7:157 says "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel"

In other words, until someone finds the name of Muhammad in the Torah (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, or Deuteronomy), or the Gospel, no one has a reason to believe.


Are you even aware that they (Moslems) believe that the Bible (Torah and Gospels) were tempered with and changed with subtractions and additions? Also are you aware the Torah and Gospels today are not the original ones (which were likely revealed in Aramaic). So Quran is talking about the original texts, not the Bible of the present!

Have a little respect, man, before jumping to conclusions...

We have the same Old Testament as they did before Jesus was born. Haven't you heard of the Septuagint?

Taking that into account, we know that prophecies about a Messiah who would come before the destruction of the temple in 70 AD, would be a Nazarene (I.e., the branch of David), would be killed for remission of sins, and be the Son of God existed before 1 AD as well.



Nintentacle on 18 October 2014
Leadified said:

Also Nintentacle what is the point of this thread? Are you trying to imply your religion is anymore credible than Islam?

If I were I would be trying to prove Christianity.

Like, the Bible Codes, and the fact that we know Jesus prophecy existed before he was born from Mary.



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bubblegamer on 19 October 2014
Skidonti said:
bubblegamer said:
 

Oh but it is. Sorry if you thought you were above it all.

You seem to carry spite about this.

Out of place conclusion. Maybe you're projecting this unto me?



bubblegamer on 19 October 2014
Leadified said:
bubblegamer said:
DanneSandin said:
All religion are wrong.

#dealwithit

Atheism is a religion, deal with it.


Like not having a stamp collection is a hobby, right?

Nah. More like beliving something isn't true because one can't imagine it.



bubblegamer on 19 October 2014
padib said:
bubblegamer said:

Out of place conclusion. Maybe you're projecting this unto me?

It's kind of your tone, honestly. Telling someone they think they are "above it all" is not a very polite thing to say.

Describing something is neutral. I'm not the one who thinks that. The one who fanatically belive other's belives are wrong fall into this category though.



HollyGamer on 19 October 2014
LurkerJ said:
comflash2 said:
LurkerJ said:

I did and it confused me. My question was different than the one being asked but let's discuss what this guy is saying. He says "before we came in this world god asked us who would like to become a human being?" I don't remember being asked. I am being serious here. I'd rather be an angel with no freewil. Just like the guy in the vidoe is describing them.

After that he quotes the quran and the Surah mentioned is shown on the screen. I didn't understand what he exactly said. http://quran.com/33/72 is this the same Surah and he was paraphrasing? "Indeed, we offered the Trust to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, and they declined to bear it and feared it; but man [undertake to] bear it. Indeed, he was unjust and ignorant." Who is the man referred to here ? All humans?


Yes... the one born as human. We accept the challange and born as human with the free will. In hereafter, we will be asked what is our deed.

Actually if you learn more about islam, you can see how Allah compassion and love to us. The trial extremely bias to make the human "pass" the test

1) 1 good deed count as 10 good deed
2) 1 bad deed count as 1 sin
3) 1 good intent but not excuted count as 1 good deed
4) 1 bad intent but not excuted not count as sin
5) Everytime human ask for forgiveness, he will be forgiven (except related to other human. need to get their forgiveness 1st)
6) if message of islam didnt arrive to his knowledge or he is give wrong perception of islam (thus refuse islam), he will be forgiven for not accepting islam (ahlul fitrah) and will be only judged only their good/bad sin. The burden will be carry by the muslim, who fail to deliver message.
7) Every qaum (tribes) will be sent a warner (prophet) which will get get direct message from Allah with "sign" (miracle to proof they get message from Allah) when earlier message been corrupted.
8) and a lot more...  that i may missed

Any bad deed to other human will need other person forgiveness, or his some of good deed will be given to that person. If this person didn't have good deed anymore, he need to take to carry that person sin.

At the end, at the judgement day, the one with more good deeds than bad deed (even by 1 point) will be in heaven.

you can say, the judgement of trial in this world supposed to be "easy"  but lot of people actually failed. 

Interesting. I didn't understand everything but it's interesting. Some of what you are saying might sound merciful to you and I do think it's generous from Allah. But I don't believe it's enough to grant Allah "the most merciful" title.

If you dont feel any pain you will not feel any pleasure , thats why in life there is the thing that we call a god day and a bad day.

There is always a purpose for what Allah SWT created in this universe, from a virus, a deadly animal, an atomic particel, an oxygen, Everything created for the purpose of Human, do you still Allah SWT is not Mercifull ?

Why human is more capable  and the rank is higher then an angel or every other creature. Because we have been given an authority to rule as a human, to choose with right to live, to choose our live, to choose our destiny to choose where are we going, to Heaven or to hell? But why ? Because before we born and before the universe was created only human that bravely accepted the authority as the leader in earth that Allah SWT given, even the mountain is afraid of this responsibility.

every paragraph i wrote is based my interpretation from a Quran , but i forgot which Surah.



Leadified on 19 October 2014
Nintentacle said:
Leadified said:

Also Nintentacle what is the point of this thread? Are you trying to imply your religion is anymore credible than Islam?

If I were I would be trying to prove Christianity.

Like, the Bible Codes, and the fact that we know Jesus prophecy existed before he was born from Mary.

That is not the Jesus prophecy but the prophecy of the Jewish messiah. Jews do not believe Jesus is the messiah.