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ethomaz on 17 October 2014

Madword said:

What were the sales of 360 in the Oct-Dec months in 2nd year?

Oct is first year... Nov-Dec second year.

Oct 218,000
Npv 511,000
Dec 1,100,000



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ethomaz on 17 October 2014

mornelithe said:

Don't get me wrong, overall I agree with you, but until we have 100 million people moved to the current gen, don't you think it's a tad premature to simply make a blanket statement like that?  Right now, most gamer's buying new hardware prefer the PS4, that's absolutely correct.  But, is it fair to say all gamer's prefer PS4 over XB1? (Just trying to be fair...maybe too fair...not sure).

Ok. Most current gen gamers choose PS4.



mornelithe on 17 October 2014
ethomaz said:

mornelithe said:

Don't get me wrong, overall I agree with you, but until we have 100 million people moved to the current gen, don't you think it's a tad premature to simply make a blanket statement like that?  Right now, most gamer's buying new hardware prefer the PS4, that's absolutely correct.  But, is it fair to say all gamer's prefer PS4 over XB1? (Just trying to be fair...maybe too fair...not sure).

Ok. Most current gen gamers choose PS4.

Sorry for being so difficult :D



Dark_Feanor on 17 October 2014
mornelithe said:

Hitchens and Dawkins both research their points, meticulously, and with a great deal of citation (Oddly enough, I just finished reading two of their books) to back up their points.  You simply claim things, with no actual backing.  Ala the overtrack claim about Gaf, that I still don't think you've provided a source to. 

We have official numbers, from NPD, you now have to provide actual facts to support your claim that it's invalid.  Could what you say be true?  Sure, but without actual supporting data to prove that point, it cannot be seriously held up against something as trusted (industry-wide) as NPD.  You don't have to like the data, that's not a requirement, but you do actually need to build a case, with references, as to why the data shouldn't be trusted.


Could I say I have agnothistc position in that case?

There were the NPD leak in July with consolidated sales for the first two quarters. Unless the they do some kind of adjustment the NeoGaf leaks were off for a few duzen of thousands units in only 3 months.

And besides, I´m not claiming anything. You won´t find any post of mine in "prediction" threads or weekly VGChartz sales report.

I don´t want to quit NPD threads though, and resort only to shippment threads.



tbone51 on 17 October 2014
ethomaz said:

Madword said:

What were the sales of 360 in the Oct-Dec months in 2nd year?

Oct is first year... Nov-Dec second year.

Oct 218,000
Npv 511,000
Dec 1,100,000


MS has a shit ton of bundles coming for X1, my guess foe the rest of the year are

Oct: 215k (4 week month, would of been higher)

Nov: 650k (MCC and i think it'll do good)

Dec: 1mil (holidayyyyy)

I think it'll stay even for the rest of the year against X360, but 2015 i see x360 closing the gap again



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vivster on 17 October 2014
ethomaz said:

It will be fun to see this holiday sales.

This data is hard to correlate. The 360 ran unopposed in its first year.



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ethomaz on 17 October 2014

tbone51 said:

MS has a shit ton of bundles coming for X1, my guess foe the rest of the year are

Oct: 215k (4 week month, would of been higher)

Nov: 650k (MCC and i think it'll do good)

Dec: 1mil (holidayyyyy)

I think it'll stay even for the rest of the year against X360, but 2015 i see x360 closing the gap again

I won't predict Nov and Dec yet but Oct will be sub-200k for Xbone... unless MS give free games or make $50 deals again.



ethomaz on 17 October 2014

vivster said:

This data is hard to correlate. The 360 ran unopposed in its first year.

Yeap but it only got fired up after with the second year... the first year alone it have really slow sales... after PS3 launch it start to receive boost.



mornelithe on 17 October 2014
Dark_Feanor said:
mornelithe said:

Hitchens and Dawkins both research their points, meticulously, and with a great deal of citation (Oddly enough, I just finished reading two of their books) to back up their points.  You simply claim things, with no actual backing.  Ala the overtrack claim about Gaf, that I still don't think you've provided a source to. 

We have official numbers, from NPD, you now have to provide actual facts to support your claim that it's invalid.  Could what you say be true?  Sure, but without actual supporting data to prove that point, it cannot be seriously held up against something as trusted (industry-wide) as NPD.  You don't have to like the data, that's not a requirement, but you do actually need to build a case, with references, as to why the data shouldn't be trusted.


Could I say I have agnothistc position in that case?

There were the NPD leak in July with consolidated sales for the first two quarters. Unless the they do some kind of adjustment the NeoGaf leaks were off for a few duzen of thousands units in only 3 months.

And besides, I´m not claiming anything. You won´t find any post of mine in "prediction" threads or weekly VGChartz sales report.

I don´t want to quit NPD threads though, and resort only to shippment threads.

Again, you reference the NPD leak in July, but don't provide a link to what you're referring to, and who made this leak.  That's the problem.  But, you are making claims about the veracity of NPD and the trusted insiders who, every month, provide NPD information.  As Ethomaz (or someone else) stated, those who provide false information are banned from Gaf.  And the mainstays (Aqua, CreamSugar etc..) are known quantities, who we all generally depend on for NPD leaks.

I'm not saying you should quit anything, I'm not saying you're lying, I'm simply saying you're not backing up your claims with even a modicum of supporting data.  And when you have that kind of response, versus NPD which is...I mean let's face it, the industry depends on NPD for US numbers...it's hard to actually give your points any serious consideration.



Dark_Feanor on 17 October 2014
ethomaz said:

vivster said:

This data is hard to correlate. The 360 ran unopposed in its first year.

Yeap but it only got fired up after with the second year... the first year alone it have really slow sales... after PS3 launch it start to receive boost.

The third and forth quarters shipments were specialy low, because the expectation for the Wii and PS3 was really strong.

The Wii dominated for the next 3 years. It wasn´t until 2010 with Kinect that the 360 had it´s best years.

There was also the 3RLoD. So, the three first and a half first year of the 360 weren´t that great.