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cycycychris said:

I really don't think that is ban worthy. She was just voicing her opinion on the decision on the gaming world by the chinese government. her ban is no longer listed any more.


Is it May 1st in Japan? That could be why



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RolStoppable said:

Maybe or even probably, for the first paragraph. However, we don't know how often said user has already tried to get Tachikoma banned.

If it's a really frequent thing, yeah, it would be harassment. I don't know if the current mod tools allow to filter archived reports for who vs. who. Probably not, so frequency isn't obvious when up to a dozen of different mods look at reports. Say, if you only ever got to see 2 out of 15 reports over a span of four weeks, you wouldn't think that a user has it in for a particular other user.

Indeed, It could be resolved moving forward by simply listing the reporters on the moderation action thread in the staff only section, either way definitely a change that would curb the underhanded nature of such harrasment, as it essentially relies on, and abuses the fact that staff rarely handle the same people and the same reports consistently.



Tamron said:
RolStoppable said:

Maybe or even probably, for the first paragraph. However, we don't know how often said user has already tried to get Tachikoma banned.

If it's a really frequent thing, yeah, it would be harassment. I don't know if the current mod tools allow to filter archived reports for who vs. who. Probably not, so frequency isn't obvious when up to a dozen of different mods look at reports. Say, if you only ever got to see 2 out of 15 reports over a span of four weeks, you wouldn't think that a user has it in for a particular other user.

Indeed, It could be resolved moving forward by simply listing the reporters on the moderation action thread in the staff only section, either way definitely a change that would curb the underhanded nature of such harrasment.


I don't really see how that would help anything.  If a post doesn't deserve moderation it wouldn't be moderated.  Why would it matter who reported it?  This could only cause more problems by causing fueds between users who were moderated based on somebody else's report.  



Talal said:
Tamron said:

Nothing to be afraid of if the reason for reporting is a legit one.


Well, I don't report (I only report alts), but if I did I wouldn't want people to know that I reported them. They would hold it against me and I just don't want to deal with that.

I know that 99% of the website will agree with you and thus the rule will not be changed; however I want this like Tamron does.

I have iron testicles. If this list were implemented, reporting a post for mod visibility is still a thing I would do, as I am helping the mods out. It is their choice whether or not the user gets banned. I don't give a hoot if the reported user gets mad at me; if they get moderated all I did was make their ban arrive quicker. Like Tamron said, no reason to be afraid if the reason for reporting is a good one. Reporting for mod visibility is not a reason to be afraid; reporting with an agenda is. I would love to see who frequent reporters are. And you know what? I wouldn't get mad if I myself had a frequent reporter. I would just have a new opinion of them. One that is unspoken but heavily implied.

But it isn't right for the community as a whole to have this list. Not everyone shares my viewpoint. Remember how I said that reporting with an agenda is a reason to be afraid? Well I have to trust that the moderators have a good grasp on whether or not the user has an agenda. This site has some of the best mods I have ever seen, tbh. If I disagree with a moderation, I can either get mad at the rules or at the interpretation of the rules, not at the mods themselves. And I cannot get mad at the reporter. I can only look down upon them.



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Due to timezones a lot of mods are not currently online, and I was asleep when all of this transpired.

I will therefore note that Tachi's ban has been lifted, some 10 hours before it would have naturally expired.

As such, one of the mods (likely the one that made the ban) has clearly reviewed it and rescinded it. I am sure when they are available again they'll be able to offer further insights.

In the meantime, please remember that mods are people too, we have lives outside the forums and are unpaid. We endeavour to get to every query, but sometimes it takes more than an hour to do so!



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Tamron said:

Should make it a rule where if someone is banned as a result of being reported, the ban reason should include a list of people that reported the post, I would guess that patterns would soon emerge.

Good idea.



RolStoppable said:
ReimTime said:

Is it May 1st in Japan? That could be why

I think bans expire during a different time of the day, about ten hours from now. Looks more like a mod unbanned Tachikoma, but given the post frequency in this thread, the mods are probably still discussing how they best explain everything to the community, so that means waiting for the time being.


Ah ok, turns out you were correct! See my above post if you feel like debating



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gergroy said:

I don't really see how that would help anything.  If a post doesn't deserve moderation it wouldn't be moderated.  Why would it matter who reported it?  This could only cause more problems by causing fueds between users who were moderated based on somebody else's report.  

I don't disagree but at the same time, a reported post is treated differently from a post that a moderator finds themelves, often in a vaccum and out of context, with the additional incentive of a user being "offended enough to have reported", whats at question here is the motivation behind such a report.

Regardless of if the posts actually ban worthy or not, if it's consistently the same person reporting a specific user, then that stinks of harrasment.



Tamron said:
gergroy said:

I don't really see how that would help anything.  If a post doesn't deserve moderation it wouldn't be moderated.  Why would it matter who reported it?  This could only cause more problems by causing fueds between users who were moderated based on somebody else's report.  

I don't disagree but at the same time, a reported post is treated differently from a post that a moderator finds themelves, often in a vaccum and out of context, with the additional incentive of a user being "offended enough to have reported", whats at question here is the motivation behind such a report.

Regardless of if the posts actually ban worthy or not, if it's consistently the same person reporting a specific user, then that stinks of harrasment.


Ok... Do you even know if such a thing is happening or are you just talking possibilities?  

 



ReimTime said:
Talal said:
Tamron said:

Nothing to be afraid of if the reason for reporting is a legit one.

Well, I don't report (I only report alts), but if I did I wouldn't want people to know that I reported them. They would hold it against me and I just don't want to deal with that.

I know that 99% of the website will agree with you and thus the rule will not be changed; however I want this like Tamron does.

I have iron testicles. If this list were implemented, reporting a post for mod visibility is still a thing I would do, as I am helping the mods out. It is their choice whether or not the user gets banned. I don't give a hoot if the reported user gets mad at me; if they get moderated all I did was make their ban arrive quicker. Like Tamron said, no reason to be afraid if the reason for reporting is a good one. Reporting for mod visibility is not a reason to be afraid; reporting with an agenda is. I would love to see who frequent reporters are. And you know what? I wouldn't get mad if I myself had a frequent reporter. I would just have a new opinion of them. One that is unspoken but heavily implied.

But it isn't right for the community as a whole to have this list. Not everyone shares my viewpoint. Remember how I said that reporting with an agenda is a reason to be afraid? Well I have to trust that the moderators have a good grasp on whether or not the user has an agenda. This site has some of the best mods I have ever seen, tbh. If I disagree with a moderation, I can either get mad at the rules or at the interpretation of the rules, not at the mods themselves. And I cannot get mad at the reporter. I can only look down upon them.

A few comments (from me as a user and a mod, but not representing any sort of 'collective mod team view.')

We DO know who reports a lot and we are mindful of the implications of that. For some reporters that means we know they regularly demonstrate care and insight in their reports. Whilst we still have to check moderation histories and thread circumstance, these users are very useful to us. Others may be a little 'report-happy' and prone to taking offense where, in our view, the majority would not. However, we still welcome those reports as often some of them are still useful.

There are formal reports and PMs where we are explicitely asked to keep someone's input private. If we made reports public they would drop off a cliff in my view and make our job much harder. Users worry about a lack of consistency now? We cannot be in every thread, and drop in reporting rates would mean large numbers of posts and threads go off the rails in a big way I suspect.

One more thing. Mistakes happen, we're hardly immune to them. But the fact that someone reported something never dictates automatically that a post should be moderated.



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