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torok on 07 October 2014
QuintonMcLeod said:
 

 

I'm not comparing the specs at all. You guys are. First off, lets get a few things straight:

 

1) The PS4 cannot smoke the PC... Period. The PS4 can't even do 4k gaming, while the PC can. What a silly thing for you to say.

 

2) Like I said, I didn't compare specs. I'm comparing performance. The link(s) I provided allow for one to create a PC for $400 bucks or less and provides 1080p AND 60fps gameplay with higher quality visuals. 


1) I'm talking about that PC. In this case, yes it can and it does. That GPU isn't nowhere close to good for 4K. Just take Shadow of Mordor, it wouldn't even run it's Ultra textures designed for 4K and you probably would have to settle for Medium quality on textures only for VRAM. PC can do 4K, but with a good GPU, not the one you posted. And don't use "period" to end your arguments, unless you are 100% sure that they are correct, something that isn't happening.

2) 1080p @ 60? Not always quite there. Look at here. It's more like 1080@50 on High in BF4 or 1080@35 on Ultra. Crysis 3 makes it even worse. That PC you posted won't get you to 1080@60 in a consistent quality for this gen since it suffers with titles that are out now, right at the beginning of the gen. Once more, it's a console. It actually performs even better than the hardware it gets because it has closed specs so you can optimize your code and it has low level APIs. You can't outperform it with a barely better GPU.

Do you really thing that if a PC with the same specs than a console were able to beat them by the same price that companies like Sony and MS would still expend millions of dollars and several years building a hardware and developing APIs if a simple YouTube guy with zero knowledge about hardware enginering could do better? With parts that he didn't even had to buy in large quantities to get a better price? Does that make any sense to you?



Bet with jetforcejiminy: PS4 will pass the Wii lifetime numbers.

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QuintonMcLeod on 07 October 2014
Neodegenerate said:

I want to see a PC that doesn't need to be built, that can be bought for $400, that can match the current consoles right out of the box.

Let's define built for this:

Built = anything more than just buying it, bringing it home, plugging it in, and starting a game.

I don't think I am going out on a limb in saying that the majority of people who play console games are not the types that are out building custom PCs.


You can buy a desktop PC from walmart for $250 and stick a nVidia 750ti ($130) into it and it will give the same performance of a PS4.

You can even buy one from BestBuy

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-refurbished-optiplex-desktop-computer-4-gb-memory-1-tb-hard-drive-silver-silver/1309010684.p?id=mp1309010684&skuId=1309010684&st=pcmcat143400050013_categoryid$abcat0501000&cp=11&lp=12#tab=buyingOptions

 



QuintonMcLeod on 07 October 2014
torok said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
 

 

I'm not comparing the specs at all. You guys are. First off, lets get a few things straight:

 

1) The PS4 cannot smoke the PC... Period. The PS4 can't even do 4k gaming, while the PC can. What a silly thing for you to say.

 

2) Like I said, I didn't compare specs. I'm comparing performance. The link(s) I provided allow for one to create a PC for $400 bucks or less and provides 1080p AND 60fps gameplay with higher quality visuals. 


1) I'm talking about that PC. In this case, yes it can and it does. That GPU isn't nowhere close to good for 4K. Just take Shadow of Mordor, it wouldn't even run it's Ultra textures designed for 4K and you probably would have to settle for Medium quality on textures only for VRAM. PC can do 4K, but with a good GPU, not the one you posted. And don't use "period" to end your arguments, unless you are 100% sure that they are correct, something that isn't happening.

2) 1080p @ 60? Not always quite there. Look at here. It's more like 1080@50 on High in BF4 or 1080@35 on Ultra. Crysis 3 makes it even worse. That PC you posted won't get you to 1080@60 in a consistent quality for this gen since it suffers with titles that are out now, right at the beginning of the gen. Once more, it's a console. It actually performs even better than the hardware it gets because it has closed specs so you can optimize your code and it has low level APIs. You can't outperform it with a barely better GPU.

Do you really thing that if a PC with the same specs than a console were able to beat them by the same price that companies like Sony and MS would still expend millions of dollars and several years building a hardware and developing APIs if a simple YouTube guy with zero knowledge about hardware enginering could do better? With parts that he didn't even had to buy in large quantities to get a better price? Does that make any sense to you?

1) The PC I showed you out performs the PS4. That was the point

 

2) Yes, it can. Remember, it's the 265X not the 260 that you're probably looking at.



QuintonMcLeod on 07 October 2014
the-pi-guy said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

That's not true. The 265X outperforms the PS4. Digital Foundry has videos proving this.

That is no 265X.  

The 265 is pretty much identical to the PS4.  The rest of the system may very well hold it back though.  That'll change as developers get better working with the system.  


It's equivlent to the 260 and not the 265. You're right about the 265x not existing. I got confused with the 270x and 260x (the naming conventions can sometimes be a bit confusing).



QuintonMcLeod on 07 October 2014
the-pi-guy said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

The answer is still the same. The PS4 won't magically outperform the PC I set up. It can't barely outperform some of the older GPUs out there.

It most certainly will outperfrom that PC.  On paper, and in real world.  

If it can't outperform older GPUs, then it's probably the devs fault.  


No...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYG-7T2LVDc



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EoRdE6 on 07 October 2014

Actually you are wrong to. The Xbox One and PS4 use a APU, and both the CPU and GPU use the same resources to draw from. Digital Foundry gave some good reasons... www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-10-07-ubisoft-defends-assassins-creed-unity-graphics-lock-for-parity-on-ps4-xbox-one



Neodegenerate on 07 October 2014
QuintonMcLeod said:
Neodegenerate said:

I want to see a PC that doesn't need to be built, that can be bought for $400, that can match the current consoles right out of the box.

Let's define built for this:

Built = anything more than just buying it, bringing it home, plugging it in, and starting a game.

I don't think I am going out on a limb in saying that the majority of people who play console games are not the types that are out building custom PCs.


You can buy a desktop PC from walmart for $250 and stick a nVidia 750ti ($130) into it and it will give the same performance of a PS4.

You can even buy one from BestBuy

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-refurbished-optiplex-desktop-computer-4-gb-memory-1-tb-hard-drive-silver-silver/1309010684.p?id=mp1309010684&skuId=1309010684&st=pcmcat143400050013_categoryid$abcat0501000&cp=11&lp=12#tab=buyingOptions

 


That doesn't fit the "built" clause of my post.  Unless you can bring it home, plug it in, and instantly start playing games at an equal or greater setting than the consoles, that is going to deter the "normal" video game player from going PC.



QuintonMcLeod on 07 October 2014
the-pi-guy said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

It's equivlent to the 260 and not the 265. You're right about the 265x not existing. I got confused with the 270x and 260x (the naming conventions can sometimes be a bit confusing).


PS4 = r7 265

XBO = r7 260 

I gave you a few links now to back up the stuff I've been saying. You got anything to back up some of these claims you have?



QuintonMcLeod on 07 October 2014
Neodegenerate said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
Neodegenerate said:

I want to see a PC that doesn't need to be built, that can be bought for $400, that can match the current consoles right out of the box.

Let's define built for this:

Built = anything more than just buying it, bringing it home, plugging it in, and starting a game.

I don't think I am going out on a limb in saying that the majority of people who play console games are not the types that are out building custom PCs.


You can buy a desktop PC from walmart for $250 and stick a nVidia 750ti ($130) into it and it will give the same performance of a PS4.

You can even buy one from BestBuy

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-refurbished-optiplex-desktop-computer-4-gb-memory-1-tb-hard-drive-silver-silver/1309010684.p?id=mp1309010684&skuId=1309010684&st=pcmcat143400050013_categoryid$abcat0501000&cp=11&lp=12#tab=buyingOptions

 


That doesn't fit the "built" clause of my post.  Unless you can bring it home, plug it in, and instantly start playing games at an equal or greater setting than the consoles, that is going to deter the "normal" video game player from going PC.


Just give up, dude. You're being silly.



Neodegenerate on 07 October 2014
QuintonMcLeod said:


Just give up, dude. You're being silly.

I'm being silly because you can't find the item to defend your claim based on the parameters of what the general casual audience (the main audience) for video games would be interested in purchasing and dealing with?  Cool.  Glad to see your definition of silly.