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Imaginedvl said:
Aura7541 said:

But you actually did deny. This is literally the fastest I've seen someone forget what he/she has said... -_-"

Exhibit A: "And the majority (close to 99%) will enjoy it as much as the Playstation gamers..."

Make up your mind, man! Do the majority find the PS4 mutliplats a significantly better gaming experience or do they enjoy the PS4 and X1 multiplats equally? Anyways, at least you've admitted that the PS4 versions of multiplats offer a significantly better gaming experience.

I never denied your maths. I said that it makes no sense to use that resolution/fps difference to compare the whole game experience on both platform is ridiculous... So stop bullshiting with your "literally the fastest you've seen to forgot" etc...

As far as your exhibit (do you find yourself funny there?), just read the sentence again :) Maybe it is late and you are sleepy but I said that basically 99% of people find the experience equivalent. Not sure how you turned this sentence into a "majority find the PS4 multiplats significantly better". 

So.... where did you base that conclusion from?

I mean, you said it's ridiculous to compare the end user experience using math, which okay, fair enough. But then you go off and not only compare the end user experience based off your personal interpretation, without so much as any objective, measurable numbers or figures. Which is fine, if you're only talking about your personal interpretation, your belief, with no claims on how others would, or should, react. But then you insist that 99% of people totally agree with your interpretation, by finding the experience equivalent, meaning you're changing it from 'This Is My Opinion' to 'This Is Objective Fact.'

Soooo I'm assuming you have some facts to back up the fact? :3 Even something really nebulous, like a poll, a survey, some sort of study insisting that not only is the experience considered equivalent to a group of individuals- which I would agree with, because let's face it, the same can be said for all sides of the debate, meaning there's a group that thinks it's equivalent, a group that thinks it isn't, a group that randomly announced they like ducks, etc,- but that the VAST majority of people fall on one side of the debate or the other? We'll even be generous, and say 90 percent, instead of your provided 99 percent.

Perhaps you provided study links earlier in the thread, if so, would be much obliged if you could repost them. :3



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Zanten said:

So.... where did you base that conclusion from?

I mean, you said it's ridiculous to compare the end user experience using math, which okay, fair enough. But then you go off and not only compare the end user experience based off your personal interpretation, without so much as any objective, measurable numbers or figures. Which is fine, if you're only talking about your personal interpretation, your belief, with no claims on how others would, or should, react. But then you insist that 99% of people totally agree with your interpretation, by finding the experience equivalent, meaning you're changing it from 'This Is My Opinion' to 'This Is Objective Fact.'

Soooo I'm assuming you have some facts to back up the fact? :3 Even something really nebulous, like a poll, a survey, some sort of study insisting that not only is the experience considered equivalent to a group of individuals- which I would agree with, because let's face it, the same can be said for all sides of the debate, meaning there's a group that thinks it's equivalent, a group that thinks it isn't, a group that randomly announced they like ducks, etc,- but that the VAST majority of people fall on one side of the debate or the other? We'll even be generous, and say 90 percent, instead of your provided 99 percent.

Perhaps you provided study links earlier in the thread, if so, would be much obliged if you could repost them. :3

Well, Zanten, I have links to studies looking at resolution and framerate

Difference of resolutions: http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/720p-vs-1080p-can-you-tell-the-difference-between-hdtv-resolutions/

Difference of framerate (and this one is a peer-reviewed science paper :D ): http://web.cs.wpi.edu/~claypool/papers/fr/fulltext.pdf



Zanten said:

So.... where did you base that conclusion from?

I mean, you said it's ridiculous to compare the end user experience using math, which okay, fair enough. But then you go off and not only compare the end user experience based off your personal interpretation, without so much as any objective, measurable numbers or figures. Which is fine, if you're only talking about your personal interpretation, your belief, with no claims on how others would, or should, react. But then you insist that 99% of people totally agree with your interpretation, by finding the experience equivalent, meaning you're changing it from 'This Is My Opinion' to 'This Is Objective Fact.'

Soooo I'm assuming you have some facts to back up the fact? :3 Even something really nebulous, like a poll, a survey, some sort of study insisting that not only is the experience considered equivalent to a group of individuals- which I would agree with, because let's face it, the same can be said for all sides of the debate, meaning there's a group that thinks it's equivalent, a group that thinks it isn't, a group that randomly announced they like ducks, etc,- but that the VAST majority of people fall on one side of the debate or the other? We'll even be generous, and say 90 percent, instead of your provided 99 percent.

Perhaps you provided study links earlier in the thread, if so, would be much obliged if you could repost them. :3

On reviews for instance? If the game is 225% better (you know gameplay wise, expericence etc...) why don't we see games at 5/10 on Xbox One and
10/10 on PS4 if the experience is so much better? Other things too like the controller? For some people it is a huge part of the gaming experience. The ecosystem (MS vs Sony or whatever else), etc...



Aura7541 said:
Imaginedvl said:
Aura7541 said:

But you actually did deny. This is literally the fastest I've seen someone forget what he/she has said... -_-"

Exhibit A: "And the majority (close to 99%) will enjoy it as much as the Playstation gamers..."

Make up your mind, man! Do the majority find the PS4 mutliplats a significantly better gaming experience or do they enjoy the PS4 and X1 multiplats equally? Anyways, at least you've admitted that the PS4 versions of multiplats offer a significantly better gaming experience.

I never denied your maths. I said that it makes no sense to use that resolution/fps difference to compare the whole game experience on both platform is ridiculous... So stop bullshiting with your "literally the fastest you've seen to forgot" etc...

As far as your exhibit (do you find yourself funny there?), just read the sentence again :) Maybe it is late and you are sleepy but I said that basically 99% of people find the experience equivalent. Not sure how you turned this sentence into a "majority find the PS4 multiplats significantly better". 

Yes, you have denied the math. You literally forgot what you have said in your comment before. You said that the majority of gamers (and you have explicitly said 99%) enjoy both versions equally. However, you, yourself, admitted that the PS4 multiplats are significantly better ("Significantly better gaming experience..."). And the majority of consumers find PS4 multiplats significantly better hency why you know, they sell better and move the PS4 hardware better, too. The differences quantitavely are large enough that they can see the differences qualitatively. We're not talking about a few horizantal lines of difference in resolution or 1-3 frames of difference. We're talking about 30 frames of difference or a twice-as-much pixels of difference here.

I never said PS4 mutiplats are significantly better, what are you talking about... (btw, this bolded part was just repeating your post so you know which part I was commenting on... )

Can you please quote me instead of replying that "I said it" over and over? 



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wary-wallaroo said:

What? No it hasn't. In fact, it seems NA has been getting weaker this gen, sales wise

For Xbox NA has always disguised weak japan and eu sales of the brand.

Sure, when it was dominating. That's not the case anymore 

No its still pretty much in effect.  The Xbox can easily survive off North American sales alone. It managing 114k last week is just a glimpse of that. Moving forward into the fall that should be even more evident.

Except it isn't at all in any way.

Even during its weakest month, XO sales were still 200k and that isn't likely to be repeated for years. Thats not huge by any stretch of the imagination but its not appalling either. That to me is the reliable North American sales compensating for non existant japanese sales and extremely poor eu sales. Its only reason the xbox hasn't dropped to Wii U levels and the same reason why it will be approaching 10m by the end of its first year.


It will be closer to 8m while the PS4 nears 20m.  Expect this to acceletate in 2015.



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Imaginedvl said:

I never said PS4 mutiplats are significantly better, what are you talking about...
Can you please quote me instead of replying that "I said it" over and over? 

I even directly quoted you and you denied your own words? That's..... not good. But if you say so.....

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6708416

"Significantly better gaming experience...  Nobody denied your ridiculous maths man"

As for your other comment, look at pi-guy's first bolded reply. You have clearly demonstrated the lack of understanding the game reviewing process: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6708445

P.S. In addition, you have failed to properly reply to Zanten's post. He asked for links, you just gave more unjustifiable personal opinions. I, on the other hand, provided links to studies on both resolution and framerate.



Aura7541 said:
Imaginedvl said:

I never said PS4 mutiplats are significantly better, what are you talking about...
Can you please quote me instead of replying that "I said it" over and over? 

I even directly quoted you and you denied your own words? That's..... not good. But if you say so.....

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6708416

"Significantly better gaming experience...  Nobody denied your ridiculous maths man"

As for your other comment: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6708445

Dude stop talking about denying and stuff like that... Nobody is denying anything, it is just impossible to debate/talk about anything so far as you keep coming with you denial accusation reply after reply.

You just misunderstood my reply that's it. And instead of keep talking about denial, quoting me would have helped. Maybe it was poorly sentenced on my side but this was just a quote (the first part) of your post to insist on the fact that it was not significant at all (I should have added "sigh" instead of "..." I guess and then a response to your denial allegation... So no, I never said that PS4 multiplatforms were significantly better as I do believe it is the case (as you may have noticed...) So why on earth are you arguing with me about that anyway?



Aura7541 said:

P.S. In addition, you have failed to properly reply to Zanten's post. He asked for links, you just gave more unjustifiable personal opinions. I, on the other hand, provided links to studies on both resolution and framerate.

The question was about my gaming experience statement vs resolution...
Providing links to resolution/FPS will not anwser his question about my point and I have no links for that it is just a matter of believing or not that the game experience is more than resolution/fps like I mentionned already, controllers, ecosystem etc... If the game resolution/fps is good enough then other things will enter into consideration.

Stop being silly now.



Imaginedvl said:
Aura7541 said:
Imaginedvl said:

I never said PS4 mutiplats are significantly better, what are you talking about...
Can you please quote me instead of replying that "I said it" over and over? 

I even directly quoted you and you denied your own words? That's..... not good. But if you say so.....

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6708416

"Significantly better gaming experience...  Nobody denied your ridiculous maths man"

As for your other comment: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6708445

Dude stop talking about denying and stuff like that... Nobody is denying anything, it is just impossible to debate/talk about anything so far as you keep coming with you denial accusation reply after reply.

You just misunderstood my reply that's it. And instead of keep talking about denial, quoting me would have helped. Maybe it was poorly sentenced on my side but this was just a quote (the first part) of your post to insist on the fact that it was not significant at all (I should have added "sigh" instead of "..." I guess and then a response to your denial allegation... So no, I never said that PS4 multiplatforms were significantly better as I do believe it is the case (as you may have noticed...) So why on earth are you arguing with me about that anyway?

I did not misunderstand your post. That statement came from you. You were explicitly referring to PS4 multiplats. Now that the cat is out of the bag, you cannot take it back. And it wasn't until now that you're making up excuses for your slip up. You need to be more attentive to what you're saying. Not only that, you need to stop presenting your unjustifiable opinions as facts. I provided links to evidence, you didn't.



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