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Forums - Sales - August 2014 NPD Thread! PS4 - 190k, XBO - 160k, Wii U < 60k, PSV < 6k

Soundwave said:
Maciveli said:
fatslob-:O said:
I am going to be real here ...

The PS4 isn't exactly what I envisioned it's performance to be since it's falling below expectations of how a market leader should be performing.

Sub 250K in North America for some months isn't "ideal" for a leading console. Perhaps just accomplishing the right moves isn't enough to muster up to the standards.

Sony is going to need to do something about this ...

Or maybe NA is not the be end all it used to be, maybe NA is becoming a secondary market.  

Given the lack of big titles, what PS4 is selling is quite awesome.  

Secondary market to what? You guys act like there's 50 different markets. 

Japan is basically gone. US is declining. I'm not even so sure Europe will match last gen's totals between the PS3 + 360 either. 

US is not declining except the wii casuals............Japan is smaller yes, thats understood, doesn't change the fact you are wrong.



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fatslob-:O said:
Iamdavirus said:

The DATA shows the opposite.........your post makes NO sense... it will do 250 k easy, it's best years are ahead.... Again, if ps3, 360 had millions more to sell up front it's sales would have tapered off more in the summer.....supply and demand, something you fail to grasp...

 

Again the data, ttoal sales show ps4 is one of the fastest selling console s ever, and your posts is going to foolish soon. The dat you are looking at 1 or 2 random months is useless, overall sales show a different story. Hitting 10 mill faster then anything except the wii is outstanding by any metric...

Does not compute ... 

It's your post that doesn't make any sense around here. If a market leader can't even pull off around 250K as a minimum for EVERY month excluding the near end of the life cycle then YOU KNOW that the platform has some issues.

A console having front loaded sales is a poor EXCUSE for it's current underperformance. 


??? The 360 had MANY months below 250k...and that sold near 50 mill in the US.....facts get some...Also ths gen is the first that had so much stock at launch, againa  fact you keep ignoring and cannot rebut....ps3 and 360 sales took longer to meet demand.

 

The wii fell off a cliff, for a market leader that was sad.



fatslob-:O said:
Iamdavirus said:

More garbage..no, the sales are lower because they were able to sell million more at launch...if ps3 and 360 sold millions more because of more supply and satisfied hardcxore demand faster, there sales would also be lower faster especially during summer.....this argument makes zero sense.

 

Supply and demand how does it work?

 

Ps4 sales will go up big now....It is also just 1 month with NO releases........cherry picking months means nothing, overall sales do.

Is that you, FlamingWeazel ? Who ever it is I don't need this drivel or your antics included ... 

Face it! For a market leader the PS4 is underperforming and nothing will change that according to the data so for that I mostly agree with Soundwave on this part. 

This isn't "cherry picking" FYI. 250K or above is what anyone would expect from a leading platform ... 

No, people only expect the market leader to be leading.  And that is what its doing.  The PS4 is outperforming both the best selling console of all time and all of it concurrent competition.  The militant attack against the PS4 is ridiculous considering the results of other consoles.  Present some real data.  You are cherry picking like a mofo.  When the PS4 tops 250k in September which is about 100% certain, will it go back to being the "market leader"?  Or will you introduce another arbitrary measure to suit your needs. 

 

What happened to objective reasoning.  You have subjective definitions for objective terms.   Its not even opinion.  Its just wrong.  The PS4 is the market leader... it has outperformed nearly all consoles .  What is the point of being so wrong?



Iamdavirus said:
Soundwave said:
Maciveli said:
fatslob-:O said:
I am going to be real here ...

The PS4 isn't exactly what I envisioned it's performance to be since it's falling below expectations of how a market leader should be performing.

Sub 250K in North America for some months isn't "ideal" for a leading console. Perhaps just accomplishing the right moves isn't enough to muster up to the standards.

Sony is going to need to do something about this ...

Or maybe NA is not the be end all it used to be, maybe NA is becoming a secondary market.  

Given the lack of big titles, what PS4 is selling is quite awesome.  

Secondary market to what? You guys act like there's 50 different markets. 

Japan is basically gone. US is declining. I'm not even so sure Europe will match last gen's totals between the PS3 + 360 either. 

US is not declining except the wii casuals............Japan is smaller yes, thats understood, doesn't change the fact you are wrong.


US is declining too. 190k for a market leader is weak. 

PS2 was crushing 300k+ its first August and it's not like it had a ton of games at that point either -- that's what a strong market leader looks like. 

People have just lowered their expectations so much that this has become the new normal. 



CGI-Quality said:

That's pretty much what I showed. What's key:

PS2:

  • 13 months – March 31st, 2001 – 10.61 million

PS4:

  • 9 months – August 17th, 2014 – 10 million
Seeing how 10 million is the benchmark, that it was I felt was most important. It took the PS4 four months less (overall, I'm aware of the 7 month JP discrepancy for the PS2 and the 3 month difference for PS4) to hit it. Not sure how that can be spun, other than, again, mentioning Japan (which as I did with the Gran Turismo people last gen - the sales were made up elsewhere), but that's grasping at its absolute best.

Just to put some perspective... this PS2 numbers is production shipment... so everything Sony produced and not what they shipped to retail like they started to do after 2006... that can means less than 9 million sold.



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Soundwave said:
Iamdavirus said:
Soundwave said:
Maciveli said:
fatslob-:O said:
I am going to be real here ...

The PS4 isn't exactly what I envisioned it's performance to be since it's falling below expectations of how a market leader should be performing.

Sub 250K in North America for some months isn't "ideal" for a leading console. Perhaps just accomplishing the right moves isn't enough to muster up to the standards.

Sony is going to need to do something about this ...

Or maybe NA is not the be end all it used to be, maybe NA is becoming a secondary market.  

Given the lack of big titles, what PS4 is selling is quite awesome.  

Secondary market to what? You guys act like there's 50 different markets. 

Japan is basically gone. US is declining. I'm not even so sure Europe will match last gen's totals between the PS3 + 360 either. 

US is not declining except the wii casuals............Japan is smaller yes, thats understood, doesn't change the fact you are wrong.


US is declining too. 190k for a market leader is weak. 

PS2 was crushing 300k+ its first August and it's not like it had a ton of games at that point either -- that's what a strong market leader looks like. 

People have just lowered their expectations so much that this has become the new normal. 

Again you ignore all ponts....

 

It is 1 month for $400 consoels that sold WAY more then every console ever. at launch..of course it would be slow in August...ps3 and 360 would be too...360 the market leader had many months below 250k.............wii died.

 

Us is not in decline because of 1 month, that makes no sense....wait until the holidays, yuo will look silly.

You keep bringing up a pecific month ignoring total sales thjat is BS and spin....1 month does not begate it being the second fastest ever to hit 10 million, and SEPT is going to be huge.

 

 

Also US <> world......there are other emerging markets picking up the slack.

 

Destiny bundle also cannibalized some sales in AUG from people waiting.



fatslob-:O said:
Iamdavirus said:

More garbage..no, the sales are lower because they were able to sell million more at launch...if ps3 and 360 sold millions more because of more supply and satisfied hardcxore demand faster, there sales would also be lower faster especially during summer.....this argument makes zero sense.

 

Supply and demand how does it work?

 

Ps4 sales will go up big now....It is also just 1 month with NO releases........cherry picking months means nothing, overall sales do.

Is that you, FlamingWeazel ? Who ever it is I don't need this drivel or your antics included ... 

Face it! For a market leader the PS4 is underperforming and nothing will change that according to the data so for that I mostly agree with Soundwave on this part. 

This isn't "cherry picking" FYI. 250K or above is what anyone would expect from a leading platform ... 


Kind of brings us back to an earlier thing I said, though, (which I'll reiterate in case you didn't read it,) which is that measuring two seperate generations brings with it a long, long list of conditional addeddums and alterations. The PS2 was only out in Japan those months, BUT there wasn't the same far more focused attention to mobile and PC gaming, BUT the PS2 had a DVD drive allowing access to a media format that its competitors didn't, BUT the European market may have developed enough to offset the loss of interest in Japan, BUT there were far more 'console exclusives' during the PS2 generation, with less of the direct crossover we see today between the Xbox and Playstation brands, leaving the two direct competitors far more similar to one another than, say, the PS2 was from the Gamecube, BUT etc etc etc.

Measuring the PS4 against a console sold in a different time, to a different market, with different features and a different climate is very difficult, because the two consoles are dazzlingly dissimilar in terms of their strategies, the amount of exclusive software, even the mettle and aims of their competitors.

At this point, if Sony is facing a problem, it seems to consist of 'more people should buy consoles in general,' because if anything is causing them to, as you phrased it, underperform, it sure as heck isn't the competition. =P

So suppose my question, therefore, is what do you think Sony should do to get the market more interested in console gaming?



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CGI-Quality said:
CosmicSex said:
Soundwave said:

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So much blatenly wrongness.  The PS2 is not pulling ahead of the PS4.  You are violently wrong lol

http://www.gamepur.com/news/13730-ps4-sales-outpacing-ps1-ps2-and-ps3-massive-margin-full-breakdown-revealed.html

PS2 took 13 months to reach 9 milion

PS4 took 9 months.  

 

It took an additional 6 months (19 months total in Sept 30, 2001) to for the PS2 to reach 20 million. From there it took an addition 8 months to get to 30 million (27 months total in May 2002).

There is no way you can extrapolate that far in the future and say the PS2 is pulling ahead.  You only know that the PS4 is trending ahead at this point. 

Lets at least try to be right.  

That's pretty much what I showed. What's key: 

PS2:

  • 13 months – March 31st, 2001 – 10.61 million

PS4:

  • 9 months – August 17th, 2014 – 10 million
Seeing how 10 million is the benchmark, that it was I felt was most important. It took the PS4 four months less (overall, I'm aware of the 7 month JP discrepancy for the PS2 and the 3 month difference for PS4) to hit it. Not sure how that can be spun, other than, again, mentioning Japan (which as I did with the Gran Turismo people last gen - the sales were made up elsewhere), but that's grasping at its absolute best.


those numbers only include 6 months in the US and 4 in EU for the PS2, they include 9 in both for PS4.  They both have a holiday so that's fair.  The only thing that's unfair for PS4 is Japan but the number is so small for the PS4 it would make little difference. 



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Iamdavirus said:
Soundwave said:
Iamdavirus said:
Soundwave said:
Maciveli said:
fatslob-:O said:
I am going to be real here ...

The PS4 isn't exactly what I envisioned it's performance to be since it's falling below expectations of how a market leader should be performing.

Sub 250K in North America for some months isn't "ideal" for a leading console. Perhaps just accomplishing the right moves isn't enough to muster up to the standards.

Sony is going to need to do something about this ...

Or maybe NA is not the be end all it used to be, maybe NA is becoming a secondary market.  

Given the lack of big titles, what PS4 is selling is quite awesome.  

Secondary market to what? You guys act like there's 50 different markets. 

Japan is basically gone. US is declining. I'm not even so sure Europe will match last gen's totals between the PS3 + 360 either. 

US is not declining except the wii casuals............Japan is smaller yes, thats understood, doesn't change the fact you are wrong.


US is declining too. 190k for a market leader is weak. 

PS2 was crushing 300k+ its first August and it's not like it had a ton of games at that point either -- that's what a strong market leader looks like. 

People have just lowered their expectations so much that this has become the new normal. 

Again you ignore all ponts....

 

It is 1 month for $400 consoels that sold WAY more then every console ever. at launch..of course it would be slow in August...ps3 and 360 would be too...360 the market leader had many months below 250k.............wii died.

 

Us is not in decline because of 1 month, that makes no sense....wait until the holidays, yuo will look silly.

You keep bringing up a pecific month ignoring total sales thjat is BS and spin....1 month does not begate it being the second fastest ever to hit 10 million, and SPT is going to be huge.

 

 

Also US <> world......there are other emerging markets picking up the slack.


PS2's holiday 2001 will absolutely *rape* any console this holiday season. 

PS2 has soundly beaten PS4 month for month this year pretty much across the board. 

Same for Wii if we look at the same months. 

This isn't just a one month trend, it's been going on for most of this year. 



Soundwave said:
Maciveli said:
fatslob-:O said:
I am going to be real here ...

The PS4 isn't exactly what I envisioned it's performance to be since it's falling below expectations of how a market leader should be performing.

Sub 250K in North America for some months isn't "ideal" for a leading console. Perhaps just accomplishing the right moves isn't enough to muster up to the standards.

Sony is going to need to do something about this ...

Or maybe NA is not the be end all it used to be, maybe NA is becoming a secondary market.  

Given the lack of big titles, what PS4 is selling is quite awesome.  

Secondary market to what? You guys act like there's 50 different markets. 

Japan is basically gone. US is declining. I'm not even so sure Europe will match last gen's totals between the PS3 + 360 either. 

Eu of course.  Plenty smaller markets are gowing there, na is falling in general.  Matching it is dependent mostly on time, id bet years alingned in the future will show this gen having greater sales.