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Unethical business practices are Sony's forte.



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WhiteEaglePL said:
Backfired PR, no?
http://mynintendonews.com/2014/09/01/sony-claims-it-has-78-market-share-for-home-consoles-in-japan/
More sites catching on....


Also counting the Ps3 but not the Wii makes no sense to me. Of course it's done, Wii U released earlier.....

And to be fair, Ps3 is still last gen, like the wii.

So people are catching on the the negative PR spin which is taking the 78% figure entirely outbound context, which is precisely what you did in your OP. 

Who is actually guilty of the most egregious spin? The one who says "we sold the most out of anyone...on a Tuesday afternoon... in the third week of July...in 2014" (akin to what Sony did), or the one who says "they just falsely claimed to have sold more than anyone." (akin to what you and your quoted sources have done).

One is the truth in a very narrow and somewhat meaningless context to create a positive vibe. The other is a complete misrepresentation of the original PR, and made with malicious intent in order to manufacture a negative vibe.

If you want to criticise the PR do it on its own merits and in the proper context. Don't try to turn it into a lie by omitting important context and then say for "shame ye aevil Sony".

When people twist truth and try to present it as a lie it is usually because they are salty or angtsy about something they can't actually criticise. Which in this case was Sony announcing a whole lot of new content for PS4 (and PS3) which puts it on a very competitive footing with Wii U. Including the first appearance of the DQ franchise on PS since PS2(?), which for all of last gen was firmly in Nintendo's grasp.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

This is PR 101 and yet, some people act so surprised... I currently like Sony the most out the three, but that doesn't mean that they do everything right or ethical. I do understand what Sony is trying to do: get the Japanese audience hyped for the PS4 (and I guess, the Vita, too) and build on that momentum.



PwerlvlAmy said:
Obviously it was a PR spin,that's just Sony being Sony though lol

If this was acknowledged by the OP then there would be no Op becausebthere would be nothing to see here. The issue is that Sony's truthful statement is being painted as a lie, or at best an outrageous misrepresentation. When at worst it's a cheeky misdirection.

This is a manufactured controversy because a few people are worried about all the games announced in that press conference. 



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

padib said:
Tamron said:
padib said:

If it's bannable I don't agree with the rules. People are misbehaving in this thread and being aggressive, they should be highlighted in my opinion.

Listing users you wish you could ban somehow isn't being aggressive?

padib said:

About the 600% in UK, that's a number in UK and is a very important number. UK was a struggling region for the U. It's not the same thing here at all, Sony is trying to show that their presence in Japan is still strong. I don't think their numbers are valid in supporting that.

So it's okay if Nintendo want to show their strength in the UK, but if Sony does the same thing for Japan it's not okay?

No, it's ok for Sony to show their strength in Japan. Like I said I believe the numbers to be disingenuous. They don't show Sony's strength in Japan and actually are designed to hide their weakness in the region, and it should be alarming. Instead people ITT defend the numbers when the reality is flagrant.

Adding to your edit. Again, the numbers for the home consoles are weak in general compared to the handheld market. For Sony to show that they are present in Japan by using home console sales is, again imho, misleading.

@users. It may have sounded aggressive, but what I simply meant is that I wish the mods took posts like that a little more seriously and that if I were one, I would strongly argue against them.

But the sales have been strong in Japan even before 2013 when it was just the PS3,
If we start the marketshares at the launch of the WiiU until today, we get the following:

WiiU 633377, 946047, 314468
Wii  470125, 76361, 5332
PS3  1233261, 877876, 308308
PS4  -, -, 670,811
360  71927, 23291, 6808

Totals:
WiiU 1,893,892
Wii  551,818
PS3  2,419,445
PS4  670,811
360  102,026

Totals (manufacturer)
Nintendo 2,445,710
Sony 3,090,256
Microsoft 102,026

All home consoles: 5,637,992

Marketshare:
Nintendo 43%
Sony 55%
Microsoft 2%

If you start as far back as the Wii, it's more or less the same but with the nintendo and sony values flipped, largely because by that point you're including two additional years of market presence of hardware that sony did not have (wii sold a year longer, wiiu sold a year longer).

So while picking the numbers for JUST 2014 does indeed give Sony a boost, it's not like not doing so would result in "worrying" numbers anyway.



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padib said:
veritaz said:
padib said:

Disappointing again, using numbers to show a false picture of the reality in Japan.

The reality in Japan is that home console video gaming is on the way out, with handhelds dominating the scene. In the handheld market, Nintendo is the obvious winner. Sony is not doing well in Japan, and that is a fact. No 78% bs number will change that reality.

I also dislike many of the "U angry?" "You salty." type posts in this thread. People just can't accept criticism without getting personal  (FATALITY, pokoko, Zackasaurus-rex, bubblegamer, pokoko). I am not surprised, I'm just upset I couldn't ban you all.

Everything you just said has nothing to do with the topic at hand.  It was just people thinking the 78% market share for home consoles was a lie when it's true for 2014. I have no idea why you're taking it so personally and attacking other users by wishing you could ban them.

So me saying that the 78% number is meaningless in japan has nothing to do with the topic at hand?

You're funny.

Let me be clear. I agree with OP that the numbers presented by Sony to show their market presence in Japan are disingenuous.


The topic was about them lying about the numbers and that was disproven. Everything else you listed was filler just so you could say Nintendo is the obvious winner while Sony isn't doing well and you evens stated it as a fact.  You even had a go at calling out other users and wanting to ban them. How you don't see what you're doing is astounding. 



Not a spin at all, just a misinterpretation.



78% of the marketshare in 2014
Wii is dead a couple years now, ps3 after 8 years still taking new games in Japan
Wii u is in Japan 3 years now PS4 9 monts with most Japanese Games comes 2015 not fair to compere thoose systems
Japan Portable=nintendo Consoles= Sony
Why Companies lie about thoose things? we live on the world of internet everything they say we easy find if is true.... yeah and not like this site they don't know how to translate on 2014 in Japanese



 

 

padib said:
veritaz said:

The topic was about them lying about the numbers and that was disproven. Everything else you listed was filler just so you could say Nintendo is the obvious winner while Sony isn't doing well and you evens stated it as a fact.  You even had a go at calling out other users and wanting to ban them. How you don't see what you're doing is astounding. 

You will do anything to say I'm off topic. Give it a rest, you're not right.

Yeah, I'm done talking to you. It must be a fact that you're always right. 

Moderated - Starcraft



Tamron said:

But the sales have been strong in Japan even before 2013 when it was just the PS3,
If we start the marketshares at the launch of the WiiU until today, we get the following:

WiiU 633377, 946047, 314468
Wii  470125, 76361, 5332
PS3  1233261, 877876, 308308
PS4  -, -, 670,811
360  71927, 23291, 6808

Totals:
WiiU 1,893,892
Wii  551,818
PS3  2,419,445
PS4  670,811
360  102,026

Totals (manufacturer)
Nintendo 2,445,710
Sony 3,090,256
Microsoft 102,026

All home consoles: 5,637,992

Marketshare:
Nintendo 43%
Sony 55%
Microsoft 2%

If you start as far back as the Wii, it's more or less the same but with the nintendo and sony values flipped, largely because by that point you're including two additional years of market presence of hardware that sony did not have (wii sold a year longer, wiiu sold a year longer).

So while picking the numbers for JUST 2014 does indeed give Sony a boost, it's not like not doing so would result in "worrying" numbers anyway.

The Wii and PS3 both came out in Japan at the end of 2006.