The fan base and the corporation are two different cultures but they are connected and they are both attacked in different way.  The subtext of the article says Nintendo is superior, Nintendo fans are superior, Sony fans are stupid for buying into their PR, and Sony itself is a evil lying corporation that has no problem lying to your face and it tries to convince the readers that Sony just got caught, lying, manipulating, and misrepresenting facts(which ironically is exactly what the author did).

Don't believe me? Read it again and then look at the comments and see what all the Nintendo fans are saying and see how they interpreted it. Hell look at the OP. An impressionable 15 year old kid now believes Sony is some evil lying corporation that was just caught in a lie due to the article and that they should be verbally attacked. Even tho there was absolutely no truth in the original article. It was all lies and prejudice, and it did it's job very well. I own all the console and I get just as offended if anyone from any camp does it. If you want to criticize any of them using actual provable facts that's fine and ends up being better for business. However when someone makes up lies in order to try and vilify the company and their fans and then use those lies in order to try and convince as many people as possible that is really offensive and does real damage. Not to just the corporation but the actual people that work within that culture or are fans of it.

Companies spin. Shocking.

Alright. Padib et al.

Time to agree to disagree and move on.

I'm kinda irked that I tried twice to raise what I at least thought were logical counterpoints (logical enough to address, if nothing else,) and got ignored both times. -_- Anybody else like to address what I wrote? Page 17, Post 4 is the crux, really. =P Gist is 'the launch patterns of the PS4 and the Wii U make anything resembling a 'fair comparison' all but impossible, as regardless of how you look at it, there's likely to be some slanting benefit for one side, or the other. Because they launched at different times in the year, even a 'from launch' comparison has the potential for unavoidable slant. Sony just decided to pick one of the angles that slanted towards THEM.' xP

Exactly! It's nothing surprsing really..

But what choice would they have? you make a valid point but companies aren't going to try to balance out the situation when it's both impossible to and does not benefit them to do so anyway.

The best they can do is be transparent about the information they do present, rather than hide the formula they used to attain the result, and for the most part, that's what they did.

I think everyone here is in pretty much the same agreement that this is pretty much standard fare for PR best-casing, so long as theres enough details left alone for us to descern spin from outright lies, there's really no reason to be upset about it.

Even if companies were willing to be objective towards each others performance and to the public, what would be the point in comparing marketshare for the ps4 with timescales that don't include it?, i wouldn't expect Nintendo or Microsoft to do the same, nor would I be surprised if they, as they often times do, seek the best possible outcome to release in a PR statement, because that, by and large, is why PR exists.

PR isn't there to be your friend, it's there to paint the company and it's products in the best possible light.

The only time this should ever be an issue worthy of discussion, is when it can be proven, outright, that the company is flat out lying.

Customers are no different in that respect, if a customers console breaks and they call support, if the support staff asks how the console came to be broken, the owner is more likely to tell half-truths than be completely forthcoming, "it stopped working and does not turn on" and "i was messing about and knocked it off the table, now it isnt working" both relay the same message "the console is broken", but one paints the event in it's best light, while the other means risking trading complete honesty for a denial of assistance.

loved this topic... starts with abuse and mockery from several nintendo fans ends up with a monumental schooling and retreat of the same people

a good lesson to learn in life, when you're going to criticize/mock something or someone, make damn sure you're got the facts on your side.

kudos Tachikoma and a few others

Big deal! sth that many of us didn't heard or read until u brought it up just now!
then again maybe they meant weekly or a period of time in which this statement was the truth?

They must have done it a lot of times before...

Of course! Most big corporations do it all the damn time! It's nothing surprising like I said!