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If only there was a way to roll back the firmware and put new firmware in that would allow support of linux..oh wait there is. Again even the lack of linux is not a good reason to hack them because you can still put linux on it.



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Nicklesbe said:
Also further confirmation you have no idea what you are talking about. Anonymous did not hack PSN in 2011, they denied it, it was not them and they were a scapegoat. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2011/may/05/anonymous-accuses-sony-hack-playstation-network

Wasn't this my point?  Anonymous hacked Sony...or do you completely refute that as well?  Sony was accusing Anonymous of stealing money from people.  In your article, Anonymous is refuting that they stole money from the consumers since they are only "trying to fight criminal activities by corporations and governments, not steal credit cards."

Anonymous hacked Sony in the beginning and then another hacker came in and stole credit card information.  Do I serously need to spell out the article that YOU even posted?  Seriously...SERIOUSLY!?!



Nicklesbe said:
If only there was a way to roll back the firmware and put new firmware in that would allow support of linux..oh wait there is. Again even the lack of linux is not a good reason to hack them because you can still put linux on it.

You are completely missing the big picture.  How would you like to buy a PS3 just because it was a cheaper blu-ray player for Sony to turn around and remove that functionality?  I could care less about using Linux on my PS3.  My point is that they removed a feature from a product that was already in my hands.  I was not compensated for this removal.  I was then forced to remove this feature because if I didn't, I would no longer be able to play new PS3 games, play online, play new bluray movies...etc.



Jimbo1337 said:
Nicklesbe said:
Also further confirmation you have no idea what you are talking about. Anonymous did not hack PSN in 2011, they denied it, it was not them and they were a scapegoat. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2011/may/05/anonymous-accuses-sony-hack-playstation-network

Wasn't this my point?  Anonymous hacked Sony...or do you completely refute that as well?  Sony was accusing Anonymous of stealing money from people.  In your article, Anonymous is refuting that they stole money from the consumers since they are only "trying to fight criminal activities by corporations and governments, not steal credit cards."

Anonymous hacked Sony in the beginning and then another hacker came in and stole credit card information.  Do I serously need to spell out the article that YOU even posted?  Seriously...SERIOUSLY!?!

So now it goes from "No money was stolen" to "someone else did it" Did you even read the article? They did not hack Sony period. They have denied it to this day. It was not them period. Consider this the last time I acknowledge you because you just pull crap out of thin air and I'm pretty sure you may need professional assistance. Have a nice night.



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Jimbo1337 said:
Well when Sony got hacked back in 2011, the hackers were actually fighting for the gamers. Unfortunately for the gamers, the only way they could do that was to take down PSN.

No..No..No, fighting for the Gamer's is going to court and fighting for regulation on security measures all companies must follow, if hackers show they can go past your security its one thing but to do so where it can cause undo harm not only to the corp. but also the people you 
"claim" you are fighting for is another thing.

Its pure Hubris, Arrogance to say hey this or that company are not protecting your data very well, but break into the data center because you can, if you are really trying to really help the Consumer you go to regulation Body Taking the law into your own hands is not only wrong, but breking in to something that does not belong to you than making off with the statement i was "doing it for the consumer" shows that they have a disreguard for property, imagine no computer's, no freaking cellphones or tv's or any d@mn electronics to Hack, where would the skill set put them?

if your going to help there is more prudent way's in doing so, but than Sony would not learn the lesson right?

No freaking digital security is never going to be enough! no ammount of money or manpower is going to stop tallented people that are trying to direct hack you to stop them if they can get past a security measure, but here is the thing if they can get past it, was it ever going to be good enough anyway?

or would that be Hubris to claim since i was the first to do it, i was only going to be the only one to figure it out.

it's one thing if you want to help its another to say you want to help but really Hinder claiming i did it to make a point. its sorta like you have the right to be an @ss hole, but do you have the be the entire @ss while you are at it?

I stopped reading after the first paragraph because you CLEARLY showed that you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA why Anonymous hacked Sony in the first place.  If you can tell me why they hacked them, I think you will understand the point that I was trying to make.  In case you didn't know, the hackers back in 2011 called themselves "Anonymous".  

Hacking into Sony to show how weak their security is does not help the consumer.  I completely agree with you.  Even though I got a PS3 before any of you guys on here, I still feel that those hackers, back in 2011, were justified in a way.  

No way was just t justified,....... That's why the ones caught went to prison 

Would you be okay about buying a product and then having to AGREE with removing a feature that was there day one?  How about this:  If you FAILED to AGREE with removing this said feature, you will NO LONGER be able to play online.  How do you feel about that?


Wasn't it removed because hackers found a vaunerable way into sonys security through Linux? So it's their fault in the first place it was removed, sony removed a feature that 0.1 percent of the playstation community used...doesn't bother me 



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Would you be okay about buying a product and then having to AGREE with removing a feature that was there day one?  How about this:  If you FAILED to AGREE with removing this said feature, you will NO LONGER be able to play online.  How do you feel about that?

Wasn't it removed because hackers found a vaunerable way into sonys security through Linux? So it's their fault in the first place it was removed, sony removed a feature that 0.1 percent of the playstation community used...doesn't bother me 

So its the consumers fault that the PS3 was vulnerable?  I believe you have it completely backwards.  It is Sony's fault that their product was vulnerable.  

You completely missed my point.  Answer my questions in the above post on a general basis and not in reference to just the PS3.




Would you be okay about buying a product and then having to AGREE with removing a feature that was there day one?  How about this:  If you FAILED to AGREE with removing this said feature, you will NO LONGER be able to play online.  How do you feel about that?

And for your information I knew the reason, and it was bogus than as it is now. Reason being Ever wonder why Sony asked you to update instead of forcing the update outright?, this was very freaking simple there was a security flaw in LINUX OS it self! In other words at the kernel level see for your self!

 

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/05/random_number_b.html

 

This was found out in 2008, but it turned out it was there since ,2006! Remember fail over flows statement of no random keygen? They knew quite well why, Sony asking Hackers to fix an exploit..notice I said Asking, what do you think the hackers response to that would be? Hey update the linux kernel there so as to patch that exploit? Be a good sport will you, and what would hackers say? Yeah lets just do that for a corporation that just wants our money and are greedy...do you and others not get that?

 

There was no outright force fix, you had to patch it and asking hackers to do that patch is freaking futile. Hackers know that full well.

 

Sony than with the slim decided no linux for a freaking d@mn good reason, to void or try to void another vector of attack. The hackers went on to media to blast Sony when they know full d@mn well it was the only choice that or let the exploit stay which is the reason why they hate Sony they patched the exploit in the slim and said if you want to keep Linux you can but do not expect a exploited system to run unasigned code to not go un challenged on our network or to go for piracy.

 

You could still run Linux but that was no other choice other than to the system toremain a linux only system or update.

 

The claim oh' we were fighting for consumer rights was really about fighting for a right to "keep a back door" into playststion's network and system.

I know I will get plwnty of people that say thats wrong, but think about it for a min let it sink in, sony did not force the update they had to ask the consumer to do so. It was all or none, the heads would not allow knowing hacked systems with out trying to prevent those exploited systems to be "ok let them all on knowing full well they have or could have an exploited system" sony did they only thing they could have done, remove the threat at the base point no ps3 slim shipped with the native ability to load other os, and than gave the consumer the option to keep the Linux but not running on the network. They could say yeah patch the kernel, but would hackers do so? 

 

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I know I will get plwnty of people that say thats wrong, but think about it for a min let it sink in, sony did not force the update they had to ask the consumer to do so. It was all or none, the heads would not allow knowing hacked systems with out trying to prevent those exploited systems to be "ok let them all on knowing full well they have or could have an exploited system" sony did they only thing they could have done, remove the threat at the base point no ps3 slim shipped with the native ability to load other os, and than gave the consumer the option to keep the Linux but not running on the network. They could say yeah patch the kernel, but would hackers do so? 

 

Law of prudence, what would a prudent man do?

You are right....Sony did not require you to upgrade to the latest firmware.  However, Sony had a number of DRM restrictions that would essentially force you to upgrade.

1.) It will be impossible to play PS3 games online.

2.) It will be impossible to play new PS3 games

3.) It will be impossible to watch new Blu-ray movies

4.) New Blu-ray discs could even disable the Blu-ray drive entirely if they contain an AACS Host Revocation LIst that affects the old firmware version.

5.) Videos on DTCP-IP media servers will be disabled.



Jimbo1337 said:

I know I will get plwnty of people that say thats wrong, but think about it for a min let it sink in, sony did not force the update they had to ask the consumer to do so. It was all or none, the heads would not allow knowing hacked systems with out trying to prevent those exploited systems to be "ok let them all on knowing full well they have or could have an exploited system" sony did they only thing they could have done, remove the threat at the base point no ps3 slim shipped with the native ability to load other os, and than gave the consumer the option to keep the Linux but not running on the network. They could say yeah patch the kernel, but would hackers do so? 

 

Law of prudence, what would a prudent man do?

You are right....Sony did not require you to upgrade to the latest firmware.  However, Sony had a number of DRM restrictions that would essentially force you to upgrade.

1.) It will be impossible to play PS3 games online.

2.) It will be impossible to play new PS3 games

3.) It will be impossible to watch new Blu-ray movies

4.) New Blu-ray discs could even disable the Blu-ray drive entirely if they contain an AACS Host Revocation LIst that affects the old firmware version.

5.) Videos on DTCP-IP media servers will be disabled.

For the 13 persons in the world that actually used it, that's really unfortunate that this feature had to be removed. But Sony had to remove it to make the platform more secure. A barely used feature got axed for the greater good.

Of course, You with your blatant agenda will keep beating that dead horse six feat under, but what can we do... -__-



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