ok mate we get that u wanted to tell everybody here that youre a pro at sex and abusing everyone and every situation is a very important skill of yours, congratz!!!

It's stupid to respect someone that doesnt respect others. I hope people would be less blind when it comes to a woman manipulating general opinion.

If women are insulted by threads like this, then that speaks more of an issue with them, than anything else.  Nowhere in here does anyone suggest that Zoe's alleged actions are indicative of every woman.

And stifling dialogue on a rather important issue does women no good, at all.  I certainly hope the site does everything in it's power to moderate the thread, but also keep it open.

The laughable thing is, it paints a picture that these forums are a hostile, forboding place for a woman - that isn't the case, these forums are a hostile place REGARDLESS of gender, people rip into each others shit every single day, the only difference being when its guy on guy, it's "just guys being guys", then it's guy on girl its sexist, chauvenistic hate speech in the eyes of those that carry such a social agenda.

I have heard, time and time again, defenders say "doesnt matter what she did to her boyfriend, it's their personal stuff and shouldnt be talked about publicly", im sorry but that is utter bullshit, he claims he was abused, we should take that claim, and his evidence to support it seriously, not hush it up and sweet it under the rug, if the genders were reverse, extremists the net over would be discussing the shit out of it with no holes barred, not only attacking the cheating boyfriend but being out for blood, wanting to ensure he never gets to enjoy a relationship or indeed, career again.

Do these people say "it's private business you should all shut up and leave them alone", when it's a celebrity accused of assault/infidelity?, no, they dig in like a pack of wolves.

A developer gets asked something in an off the record interview, or just in passing convosation - shit gets posed online and headlines across the internet about his horrible, diplorable actions and words - it was a private convosation, and almost always taken out of context for hits - but does that stop these internet lunatics from licking their chops and diving in headlong in the name of equality and social justice? no, it does not.

The real fucking kicker in all of this is that these e-game "look everyone im hardcore into womens rights" soapbox loving attention seekers are actually DAMAGING the real cause, the cause that so many women genuinely set out to change for the better.

As a result, 'rape' is now thrown around like it's suddenly interchangable with 'minor disagreement' send an unsolicited email? may as well be rape, you didnt ask permission to contact me, i feel violated by receiving your message - extreme sure, but not a million miles away from how it's currently being used.

Angry at your ex? want to fuck them over real good? rape!

And what of the men and women who have been genuinely, physically raped? what of them is simple, because of the whole "boy who cried wolf" style of labeling everything rape, people who actually have been a victim of it suffer directly as a result, those idiots who think bring brushed past in starbucks is rape, belittle the suffering of those who actually have been.

This whole event just highlights how dangerously selective both the media and so called rights supports can be when something happens that goes against what they believe in or contradicts it.

We're told, day in and day out - look at this poor woman, shes been abused, mentally, physically, socially - feel bad for her, those disgusting men did this - now and then someone chimes in "it can happen to men too" - good luck with that, HMS reality, the waves of social justice are high and your little ship is going to capsize.

So when it comes to this story - who the fuck cares that she cheated?, who the fuck cares who she cheated with, does it really matter WHY she slept with who she slept with? and save me the "we dont know for sure she did sleep with anyone" bullshit, you're clutching at straws at best.

What we know is, the most realiable source of information from someone in a genuine relationship with the accused, has extensive and verifiable chat logs with the accused that can be cross referenced with her social network postings for the dates covered, the locations she has been, the locations of those she has been accused of sleeping with.

We have here either quite possibly the most geniously talented and creative EX in the history of humanity, or simply someone who was fucked over one too many times and felt the need to share his experience with the world to find some semblance of closure. but instead what we get is a bunch of white knights quick to tell everyone Zoe is the victim and equally quick to label the one person who actually IS the victim in all this as an untrustworthy element because hes simply "a jealous, angry, ex"

Why is he jealous? Because she cheated on him
Why is he angry? Because she cheated on him
Why do people choose to believe the accused excuses when they clearly stand to benefit from lying? Because people are idiots.

But most of all?

Why do these social warriors choose to label him as nothing more than a jealous angry ex and focus on painting Zoe as the victim?

Because he's a male, and she's a female - it doesn't sit with their agenda to sympathise with what you've spent the last few years of your life demonizing.

I am absolutely sick to fucking death of it all, white knights, extremist social feminists and forum warriors selectively chosing to believe what works for their agendas, Know that the path you idiots are taking does not end with a happy, fair, equal world where women and men are treated with the same level of respect and authority.

The path were heading down is one of social shaming to force men into pandering to womens opinions, people who maintain their views, still maintaining them but simply chosing to maintain them in private, and the once extremist sexist loonies on both sides of the gender scale being even MORE loony.

You don't reach a state of respect and peace by force, you don't earn respect by peer pressure, you don't attain justice by seeking power thinly veiled as "wanting equality".

Yours,
A woman who thinks the current brand of feminism, social justice and gender-biased sympathising is utter deplorable bullshit.

Why the fuck should people respect women just because they're women?, respect is earned not given freely, don't confuse common decency with respect, and for the love of god, don't make the mistake of thinking a thread being locked is going to make a shred of difference, at all, to wether or not women actually come here.

But please, do tell me what exactly about this thread, is "the reason women don't come here", i'll gladly listen to that reason.

Damn right! I love when people get the message.

That is commendable, i mean, to let us discuss this hipocrisy affair: women in gaming can do whatever and we always have to have to applaud.

If a person do something disgusting, it should not matter their sex.

I would not have sex with that chick even if I was drunk. This actually makes me sad of the state of video games that 6 dudes are tapping that chick. I might be too hot for this community.

Right, we've cultivated an atmosphere where most men feel perfectly at home, and most women feel threatened and unwelcome.

Nothing sexist at all about that.

For starters, do you want me to tally up how many posts in this thread evaluate how fuckable Ms. Quinn is?

And yet, women still come here, you're reading the response from one right now.

As Tamron points out - you're debating with a female right now, theres loads of women on these forums.

It takes more than a few posters saying "i would/wouldnt fuck ____" to chase them away, unless of course you're under the assumption that we're all dainty flowers that buckle and fall to pieces at the mere thought of someone on the internet trying to be funny.