binary solo said:
o_O.Q said:
Aerys said:
o_O.Q said:
lol ironically people that do this don't even realise this
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Maybe because that requires a brain to understand these things, these people defend women(even where there is nothing to defend but it's a woman so i need to protect her) because it's cool, but if they would really care about equality no matter the gender or the origins , they would care from both side and not only from the side they are attracted by/the society told them to be. It's funny because these men will stay blind in front of sexism when it's about their own gender because it's not as cool.
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yeah its as you say there's a massive push now to regard women as being victims ( not just women but this also applies to other groups of people blacks being an example ) who constantly need help and support not that it isn't justified at times but the problem is that it also overflows into circumsances where they truly are in the wrong
and regarding someone as a helpless victim ultimately does them no good since you force them to abdicate their power
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But this is a bullshit comparison. On one side there is sexism, on the other side there is just sex. These two things are not the same, there is no legitimate comparison, there is no moral equivalence, there is no mis-directed political correctness. You even missed the point in your reply to me. It's not really about wheter there's corruption in the gaming media, it's about that fact that you cannot reasonably compare the two situations in the OP and call it a case of reverse sexism, or unequal treatment in the media, because they aren't equal situations.
And now it appears that perhaps the person at Kotaku she slept with didn't wite about or review her game. So in actual fact it may be the case that there is no evidence of Zoe giving out sex for media favours, she is just doing what every free person has the right to do. yet people are tyrying to say she should be dragged through the press and be judged in exactly the same way as a person who made a sexist public statement, who isn't denying that what he dsaid was sexist and offensive. The disgusting judgmental attitude of some people here is even worse if it turns out she didn;t actually have sex with people for some professional gain. If the facts of the situation bear out that she did not seek or obtain professional gain from her sexual encounters then she is owed a massive collective apology from everyone who created false moral outrage threads like this one.
I'm a very moral guy. I believe and live by the concept of monogamy and commitment to relationships. So my own personal morals disagree with what she did. but I have no moral authority over her so I do not judge her for her behaviour. And if there was no professional gain element to what she did then there is nothing more to be said. If she did seek professional gain then that is wrong and deserves criticism. But it is not in the same realms of behaviour as making sexist public statements so it does not belong in the same gaming media context. And at the end of the day criticism agains the person willing to sell their column inches for sex should be stronger than criticism of Zoe. But I see here the loudest and strongest judgements being cast on Zoe. Is that not sexist?
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...um i wasn't talking about the op my reply was about something separate and i do agree that the two situations described in the op cannot be compared
not really sure if this is mean't for someone else but i'm the last person to talk to about slut shaming i think women should be free to express their sexuality as they please and i don't think i've said otherwise in this thread
"The disgusting judgmental attitude of some people here is even worse"
trust me i agree and believe this attitude to be very hypocritical because the same ones doing it are heterosexual men who i'm sure love to be sexual with women
my issue with what was done is that it calls into question the integrity of how games are promoted and ultimately their sales which is what this website is supposed to be about
"And at the end of the day criticism agains the person willing to sell their column inches for sex should be stronger than criticism of Zoe. But I see here the loudest and strongest judgements being cast on Zoe. Is that not sexist?"
not necessarily it depends on what your perspective is on this issue if indeed as you say someone is "slut shaming" they'll indeed look at any woman who isn't a prude and try to defame them
but thats not the only perspective one can have now let me be clear and say that i don't think that this absolves the men of the responsibility they have because obviously ( if the allegations are true ) they would have had to play their part and allow their interaction with her to influence them
but anyway the way i look at it is that she is the constant here whereas the variable is the men ( if the allegations are indeed true ) which implies to me that possibly she had an agenda in this which correlates back to claims of using sex as a tool to further another cause but again thats heresay as you say we aren't 100% clear on the facts
it seems to me that we agree for the most part i guess you just misunderstood where i was coming from somewhat
but regardless would you disagree with this "there's a massive push now to regard women as being victims"
