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Who will be on top when January 1, 2015 arrives?

Wii U 810 89.40%
 
Xbox One 93 10.26%
 
Total:903
Seece on 08 August 2014
tbone51 said:
Seece said:
Of course it will, can you really see XB1 selling as poorly in the holiday like WiiU has done previously?

Even PS4 hasn't been doing amazing numbers lately, but come holidays both consoles will appeal to a huge audience, something WiiU cannot do.


Wat? Your severely underestimating WiiU this holiday. If you think X1 is just going to easily surpass it, you got something else coming to you.

Heard that a thousand times before, yet after how many months? it's still at 6.XXm. History is not on your side of WiiU ever selling well.

By my tally WiiU has about 7 games coming out from now until year end at retail, it's not enough for the system to do decent numbers. Fact.



 

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OfficerRaichu15 on 08 August 2014
Seece said:
Viper1 said:
Seece said:

Sort it out Viper, I'm not changing any goalposts. I already explained the country thing, if you can't understand why I used that that's your own problem. As for shipments, all I know is shipments should surpass WiiU's by September, and then sales will follow in the holiday.


You most certainly did shift the goal posts.  You were losing the debate or else you've never have brought country by country nor shipments.

 

This is about global sales by the end of the year.   And instead of backing up your claim that the Xbox One will erase a 1.9 million sales defivit, you starting tarking about specific countries and then shipments.   You know good and well that channel stuffing can obfuscate actual sales data and MS are known for doing so more than either of the big 3.

And I stand by the fact XB1 will outsell WiiU in sales globally by the end of the year, easily, due to multiplats, XB1 having a target audience, and WiiU not having as much appeal, that's my stance, I stick by it, and I don't need to change the goal posts to defend it.

I am talking about the other stuff as an aside.

As far as the last one goes, there is no such thing as stuffing. There is such a thing as retailers over ordering, but MS can't force stock into the channel if retailers don't want it. Now, it's seemingly true retailers have too much stock the past 6 months, which means there isn't going to be more overshipping due to this current Q, retailers wouldn't accept more stock when they already have enough.

Regardless, like I said that's an aside, I'm not crazy enough to think XB1 will be close to outselling WiiU by end of September, it'll happen during the holiday.

I'm just using the shipping thing as my first benchmark to my prediction, don't call it changing goals.

This sounds like your assuming wii u cant fight back with one of its biggest games



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tak13 on 08 August 2014
Viper1 said:
Seece said:

Watchdogs released during a period people knew a cheaper Xbox was coming ....

And when the cheaper Xbox came out, how well did that turn out?

Seece said:

We've not seen sales for July yet, all we know is it did around 200k in June in US.

But it's a very dry period for XB1 (and will continue until Madden later this month) whereas WiiU just got a huge game and it's just on par with XB1. What does that tell you?

What do you think sales would look like if WiiU didn't get any big game and XB1 just got Halo? XB1 would be outselling it X4.

So you are ignoring VGC numbers and solely basing your prediction around assumed NPD figures. 

Also, how is this not a dry period for Wii U just the same?   Didn't Mario Kart 8 and Watch Dogs both launch at practically the same time ago? 



generally a lot of xboxone gamers ignoring the numbers ,you could see it on some articles...!viper glad you re commented here;)21th december

XOne 400,825 (+8%) 2,623,299 
WiiU 348,504 (+29%) 5,119,067

28th december

XOne 295,737 (-26%) 2,919,036
WiiU 239,046 (-31%) 5,358,113

the newly xbone after 1month of its release and the struggling wii u of 2013 with a baseline of 30k...how the wii u of2014,with the new 60k baseline because of mk8 ,will be outsold by xbone...with smas bros the huge game,and the other games which are capable to boost sales not as mk8 but they can somehow.watchdogs is bad sign for xbone...and dont forget ,xbone  fell into wii u levels before price cut(mk8 of course did more than xboxone price cut,doubled usa quadrupled in europe tripled or doubled japan  ).What will happen if wii u get price cut?just search what happened when gamecube got its price cut...and dont put me gc sale with wii u aligned because wii was winning ps2...did it manage to outsell it?...no!(sales alingments means nothing for me,i have said it)we could have a bet...!seece, how greece(my country,i m not american:P)chezh republic,slovenia ,slovakia and other small markets of europe will help xbone?as for mk8...i m sad that you keep downplaying it...!



Seece on 08 August 2014
OfficerRaichu15 said:
Seece said:

And I stand by the fact XB1 will outsell WiiU in sales globally by the end of the year, easily, due to multiplats, XB1 having a target audience, and WiiU not having as much appeal, that's my stance, I stick by it, and I don't need to change the goal posts to defend it.

I am talking about the other stuff as an aside.

As far as the last one goes, there is no such thing as stuffing. There is such a thing as retailers over ordering, but MS can't force stock into the channel if retailers don't want it. Now, it's seemingly true retailers have too much stock the past 6 months, which means there isn't going to be more overshipping due to this current Q, retailers wouldn't accept more stock when they already have enough.

Regardless, like I said that's an aside, I'm not crazy enough to think XB1 will be close to outselling WiiU by end of September, it'll happen during the holiday.

I'm just using the shipping thing as my first benchmark to my prediction, don't call it changing goals.

This sounds like your assuming wii u cant fight back with one of its biggest games

If MK on WiiU (Wii's arguably biggest ever game) can only push console sales a few hundred k WW, then no, it can't. I don't think most people here grasp that a bump, or 'doubling your baseline' in this situation still doesn't lead to good sales for WiiU.

MK on WiiU has amounted to 200k@ hardware sold across May and June in US. Know what MGS4 on PS3 did? A region not exactly on board with the console at that point. 631k. More than MK has pushed WIiU WW. If you want to talk WW then the same applies to those games.

Know what Halo 3 did in US in September 2007? 530k, so close to 1m WW for the month of September.

That is a boost, and that is something after numerous games released, WiiU has failed to do.



 

Viper1 on 08 August 2014
Seece said:


As far as the last one goes, there is no such thing as stuffing. There is such a thing as retailers over ordering, but MS can't force stock into the channel if retailers don't want it.

You don't have much experience in sales distribution or you'd not make this statement.

You most certainly can ship more product than the initial order called for.    Depending on the supple chain, they'll either sit in a warehouse for the quarter or retailers will take then on credit and bargain them back for better margins or discounts.



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tbone51 on 08 August 2014
Seece said:
tbone51 said:
Seece said:
Of course it will, can you really see XB1 selling as poorly in the holiday like WiiU has done previously?

Even PS4 hasn't been doing amazing numbers lately, but come holidays both consoles will appeal to a huge audience, something WiiU cannot do.


Wat? Your severely underestimating WiiU this holiday. If you think X1 is just going to easily surpass it, you got something else coming to you.

Heard that a thousand times before, yet after how many months? it's still at 6.XXm. History is not on your side of WiiU ever selling well.

By my tally WiiU has about 7 games coming out from now until year end at retail, it's not enough for the system to do decent numbers. Fact.


Srry to break the news to you but History=/=Future.

Fact: SSB will push WiiU's alot higher compared to last year alone this holiday.

I cant wait to see when either one of your predictions (or so called Facts) end up being wrong! (X1 shipped more WiiU by Sept or WiiU hit over 10mil by years end)

No point arguing it now i guess, i'll come back, i at least hope if your wrong wont try to spin it :)

 

Edit: Stop with the MK8 excuse, it'll be the best seller but Best Selling Game=/=Best Console Seller. SSB will push alot more wiiu's than MK8. If it were not released during holiday it would of easily put your comment to rest



OfficerRaichu15 on 08 August 2014
Seece said:
OfficerRaichu15 said:
Seece said:

And I stand by the fact XB1 will outsell WiiU in sales globally by the end of the year, easily, due to multiplats, XB1 having a target audience, and WiiU not having as much appeal, that's my stance, I stick by it, and I don't need to change the goal posts to defend it.

I am talking about the other stuff as an aside.

As far as the last one goes, there is no such thing as stuffing. There is such a thing as retailers over ordering, but MS can't force stock into the channel if retailers don't want it. Now, it's seemingly true retailers have too much stock the past 6 months, which means there isn't going to be more overshipping due to this current Q, retailers wouldn't accept more stock when they already have enough.

Regardless, like I said that's an aside, I'm not crazy enough to think XB1 will be close to outselling WiiU by end of September, it'll happen during the holiday.

I'm just using the shipping thing as my first benchmark to my prediction, don't call it changing goals.

This sounds like your assuming wii u cant fight back with one of its biggest games

If MK on WiiU (Wii's arguably biggest ever game) can only push console sales a few hundred k WW, then no, it can't. I don't think most people here grasp that a bump, or 'doubling your baseline' in this situation still doesn't lead to good sales for WiiU.

MK on WiiU has amounted to 200k@ hardware sold across May and June. Know what MGS4 on PS3 did? A region not exactly on board with the console at that point. 631k. More than MK has pushed WIiU WW.

Know what Halo 3 did in US in September 2007? 530k, so close to 1m WW for the month of September.

That is a boost, and that is something after numerous games released, WiiU has failed to do.

200k for may and june 

133k 98k 78k 65k 62k thats over 400k for end of may and june



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eva01beserk on 08 August 2014
Seece said:
eva01beserk said:
Seece said:
I can't really take anyone seriously that says Captain Toad and Bayonetta are going to raise the baseline of WiiU.

I can't really take anyone serious that says multyplats are going to increase the baseline of the x1. 

What do you think sold so many PS360's? Like they're even comparable. Of course multiplats will increase the baseline of XB1, it's common sense. The proof is there FYI. 1.9m COD sales.

Lots of games sales does not mean lots of console sales, like wolfenstine, watchdogs, sniper elite 3(I think, Im not sure). So I dont doubt all thouse games ill sell well on the x1 but just look at trends, everytime ps4 gets a big bumb and x1 a miniscule or almost no bump even thou the game sales very well.

Dont gime any of that last gen crap cuz nothing seems to be applying to anything anymore. Why, because people last gen would have with a smile taken the worst multyplat to have sony console and play their exclusives, but this time around nobody cares enouff outside the fanboys about the x1 and you can look at the homepage to see the sales represent that week after week.

Im aware that I exagerate on top, but for effect, I do think that the x1 baseline will increase a bit but not alot, especially compared to ps4.

To be so closeminded and arrogant to think that games like hyrule wariors, bayoneta, toad, sonic, skylanders, smash, NEXT YEAR xenoblade, splatoon, starfox, zelda, devils third will have no affect on the wii u just makes me feel sorry for you. I admit that most are not going to do the job on their own but toghether for the hollidays will have a bigger impact then sunset overdrive MCC, forza and second rate port third partys wich are games that I belive will apeal more to existant owners of the x1(the exclusives not the multyplats).

I read all the other comments so Ill just reply all in this one since it was adreesed to me.

You keep claiming that the xbox brand is the only one that gets a boost from the hollidays. This is just complete bullshit, they all do. Last year the wii u boost was so small only cuz the ps4 and x1 just arrived and where the new hot and hyped items everybody was talking about. Now the x1 seems less appealing and has the least amout of exclusives oming out so I belive the wii u to trounce it. 

And do you realy belive the x1 will be the only one doing bundles? This is just sad. They will all do bundles. Nintendo will be the best one in my opinion cuz they can offer a lot of dirent games not available on other consoles or pc, while the x1 wil  have 1 game unique and a remake and a bunch of inferior ports. And just look how well the mario kart bundle did, do you think they wont repeat it and look how bad the new sku did.

I know you keep waiting for npd to tell you the failure of the x1 but not trust vgcharts but why? its been going on for mothns and npd alays shows you jjust how bad it is even in the only territory that is doing ok. So let it go and just use vgc numbers wich actually help the x1 a lot then npd nocks them down month after month.

New territories wont do much outside of launch week, I wont go into detail just accept it.

You seem to me one of the people who thought that MK* would do nothing to the wii u and look at it now, above the x1. Since you failed that prediction, can you just admit that even if big games arent coming that they can have some interest and increase the wii u baseline. Or wait a few more months and have another slice of humble pie.



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Seece on 08 August 2014
tbone51 said:
Seece said:
tbone51 said:
Seece said:
Of course it will, can you really see XB1 selling as poorly in the holiday like WiiU has done previously?

Even PS4 hasn't been doing amazing numbers lately, but come holidays both consoles will appeal to a huge audience, something WiiU cannot do.


Wat? Your severely underestimating WiiU this holiday. If you think X1 is just going to easily surpass it, you got something else coming to you.

Heard that a thousand times before, yet after how many months? it's still at 6.XXm. History is not on your side of WiiU ever selling well.

By my tally WiiU has about 7 games coming out from now until year end at retail, it's not enough for the system to do decent numbers. Fact.


Srry to break the news to you but History=/=Future.

Fact: SSB will push WiiU's alot higher compared to last year alone this holiday.

I cant wait to see when either one of your predictions (or so called Facts) end up being wrong! (X1 shipped more WiiU by Sept or WiiU hit over 10mil by years end)

No point arguing it now i guess, i'll come back, i at least hope if your wrong wont try to spin it :)

I agree SSB will push WiiU up yoy, never disputed that this holiday would be better for WiiU than last. I love how you act like my 10m end of year prediction is crazy when Nintendo themselves don't even think it'll hit 10m by March next year, but of course "they're underpredicting!" they've not actualy said this it's just something people here chose to believe. As for XB1 outshipping WiiU ...

WiiU:

1st Q: 3:06
2nd Q: 0:39
3rd Q: 0:16
4th Q: 0:30
5th Q: 1.95
6th Q: 0.31
7th Q: 0:51

XB1

1st Q: 3.9
2nd Q: 1.1
3rd Q: 0.55~

What do you guage from this? Other than the myth MS are forcefully constantly stuffing channels month in month out.



 

OfficerRaichu15 on 08 August 2014

just because the xbox one is doing better than wii u 2013 sales doesnt mean wiiu cant beat it in 2014



Bets:

(Won)Bet with TechoHobbit: He(Techno) says 10 million by January 1,2014 I say 9 million by then. Winner gets 2 weeks of sig control.

(Lost)Bet with kinisking: I say Ps4 will win April NPD while he says Xbox One will win it; winner gets 1 week of avatar control.

Raichu's First Series:

First RPG?

First Fighter?

First Racer?

First Shooter?

First MMO?

First Horror?

Official Ni No Kuni Fanboy:

Familiars Captured:37

Game Beaten: 2 times almost

Times I got teary during some scenes: 3