I think I will keep my vote against outlaw then......though I would have preffered if Mafia Khan was killed first.

Well I had a good night in Meatland. Going to dinner soon, but I've finished reading through padib's posts. Holy shit there was a lot on day one. I'm mostly doing this so I can examine his relationship with outlawauron, to see if anything is there. I still feel mostly at ease with him, but there are some interesting points. I was in a rush near the end so it started to get sloppy, and I didn't have time for as many notes as I wanted, but here it is, incoming soon. Remember padib, this is just for clarification and a more efficient investigation. Feel free to clarify whatever you want. Everything here is a literal summary of padib's posts. Anything I really felt the need to say something about, I put in parentheses.

EBWOP: This is just the first day, because that's what I wanted to focus on, as it's where most of his interaction with outlaw was.

Padib posts:

-confirms in

-HoS at Sparks for knowing about pushing to post to avoid suspicion but not knowing about mafia day talk

-town tell from prof

-analysis of Nickles w/ accusation

-flavor post about bows

-coaches Nickles not to defend too much

-tells Nickles not to be paranoid but rather open, wants to help new players, congrats smeags for flavor analysis and prof for graph, asks Wright for his ideas

-happy that less talkative players coming out, calls out prof for not answering noname, calls out Wright for not listing thoughts, says he likes the flavor hunting for stimulating discussion

-criticizes prof for scaring everyone, says will lead to lynched townies and silent mafia, notes many joined for the flavor, defends against parroting that he’s following other town leads

-townie tell on Wright for playing to find scum

-responds to noname that prof not answering was expected

-agrees with noname that prof’s play gets interesting reactions, but counters that it creates nervosity in town, allows those not investigated to hide, and diverts town attention, acknowledges prof has stimulated activity but thinks it would have occurred naturally without him, like’s Sparks’ play for linking and rereading

-says he’s trying to get noname to talk, commends prof’s idea to be passive and let padib do the work, says he’ll learn, users won’t be scared, prof can make a list of OBJECTIONS! for later

-says smeags might be able to embody his role regardless of his alignment, says spurge doesn’t know what to say because day 1, asks questions about his past mafia behavior, asks spurge his opinions on Sparks, Wright, and noname

-is uneasy about Smeags’ contributions, thinks he’s tiptoeing, gets a scum vibe

-responds to Smeags’ that his suspicion is based in hunches and feelings, based on previous mafia experience where he was mafia and felt like he was tiptoeing, and Smeags doing long flavor-rich posts in previous game vs. short ones in this game, disclaims this as being an early scum vibe not worth much weight

-EBWOP, thinks day 1 no-lynch is bad, but think Smeags was parroting when supporting it

-says spurge he asked about more than smeags, is nervous about inactive players, votes WhiteEagle

-apologizes for crap English, clarifies again that he thinks Smeags support of day 1 lynching was a parrot post

-thinks WIFOM is interchangeable with null-tell, quotes the wiki page on it, explains his understanding with examples, admits that as part of reverse psychology, he doesn’t know how to explain it

-comforts Nickles about prof, tells him to expand his horizons

-reaffirms that he wants to help Nickles, encourages him not to vote prof until a strategic moment

-quotes spurge, highlights a phrase about padib knowing about scum sitting in the background, counters with Smeags’ activity statistics, calls him scum (I think this was a misunderstanding on padib’s part, as spurge was saying padib has already pointed out that scum can hide if the attention is drawn to the wrong person, not that padib was a hiding scum)

-“this isn’t profia, it’s mafia” (I loled at that, I’ll admit). Agrees with me here that the game revolves around prof. Says prof’s statistics about people posting thanks to him are flawed. Suggests that prof change his playstyle, isn’t smartest tool in the shed, will cause problems if he convinces himself such, can last longer if he plays differently, good mafiascum players last longer by playing more intelligently. (Wow, quite the post. In his defense here, prof changed a little bit, and lo and behold, prof is alive into day 4)

-responds to Nickle’s questions. Says he’s enjoying the game and trying to focus on leads other than prof and his leads so as to get meaningful reads. Says it ranks among his favorite games. Notes that it’s similar to his worst due to paranoia. Is happy with the amount of posting, but thinks the focus is too much on prof and his investigations. Is happy with Wright, himself, and Spurge for focusing on other things instead. Favorite part was Wright’s play on Cone. Thinks there’s too much semantics that help neither side. Thinks prof should be voted for because he’s harmful to town, and that outlaw is scummy and should be voted for (wait, what?), wants more pressure on IkePOR and WhiteEagle.

-says prof is awesome because he makes everyone like the game, but will ignore him so he doesn’t get accused of piggybacking on prof’s semantic traps.

-asks WhiteEagle, noname, and outlaw for votes, asks Nickles, IkePoR, Smeags for greatest suspects

-asks outlaw to make cases for people as the end of the day is coming, asks specifically for what case he’d make for prof since prof had votes at the time and outlaw could vote prof to save himself

-asks for outlaw’s opinion on Wright’s backing off of Cone, asks if outlaw is waiting for prof’s opinion on Wright

-asks outlaw what he’s waiting for from prof before making a case, if he has an investigation plan for Wright

-is satisfied by outlaw’s response that he wants to hear more from prof, offers to help investigate Wright, says he wants to lynch inactive players as they’re a threat to town, takes vote from WE to RCTjunkie for being inactive and bandwagonning. Asks outlaw for his opinion on RCT.

-confronts Sparks with an accusation of flip-flopping about outlaw.

-asks outlaw if he thinks RCT is mafia

-asks outlaw if he thinks RCT and prof are distancing, if he thinks Sparks is in the group

-asks why outlaw initially voted Wright

-gives the time until night

-asks outlaw to join him in an investigation on prof, RCT, and Sparks, coaching him on how to do so

-asks outlaw why he didn’t challenge Wright on his suspicions, says he’s good at keeping cool, encourages investigation again, thinks the back-and-forth between outlaw and padib will prove outlaw suspecters wrong that outlaw is wishy-washy. Will be suspicious of people that vote for outlaw.

-accuses Cone of a flimsy case to vote outlaw for inactivity, as according to activity statistics he should vote for RCT, says outlaw’s play isn’t scummy, just of a player that keeps he cards to his chest and answers honestly when he doesn’t know. Asks Cone to not vote outlaw.

-demands prof to answer a question by threatening with a vote

-responds to Smeags’ links to outlaw posts that Smeags thinks contain deflecting, saying that he doesn’t see any deflecting. (Posts in question: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6565008 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6565118 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6565764

I’m really not sure if these contain deflection or not. Prof makes a case that they are, and I agree they could be taken that way, but I can see how padib might not.)

-responds to prof’s answer that he doesn’t think prof understood why he was asking

-responds to prof’s statement that the posts are deflection because he redirects instead of defending, by saying that the case against outlaw is flimsy thus outlaw shouldn’t have to defend anyway until a legitimate concern comes up)

-criticizes Sparks reasoning on outlaw, saying his posted link wasn’t scummy and that outlaw never took a stance on daytalk.

-tells prof he’s interested in outlaw because he thinks he’s town

-responds to prof’s asking for evidence by asking him to reread, accuses people of piggybacking

-responds to another prompt for evidence by saying outlaw is answering honestly, is cooperative when asked properly, isn’t a good option, and there are better options, says that’s enough for day 1.

-responds to prof’s accusation that outlaw looks like previous mafia by asking what games he’s seen mafia not answer lame accusations and not be aggressive in investigations

-lets us know he’s going to bed

-responds to a post in which Nickles convey’s his thoughts on RCT and prof being his top suspects, by congratulating him on his detective work, then explains Smeags’ stance on day 1 lynching,  defends prof against Nickles’ case but says prof did make users clam up, then promotes his analysis of RCT and RCT being with prof by asking further questions

-tells Sparks he’s a liability to town by voting on a flimsy case, not thinking for himself, asks Sparks again to reconsider outlaw, says he’s never played a game where mafia don’t have their own quicktopic for day talk

-asks prof to say why cone is probably town, claims it isn’t clear to him either (did you seriously not get that Cone was claiming doctor, padib?)

-understands prof’s frustration with authority

-answers my concerns about dual faction games, says that mafia can only talk at night as confirmed by WoW (wait, you just said you never played a game where they didn’t…)

-tells me he thinks there might be lovers

-agrees to let off prof about saying why cone is probably town, but still puts no weight into prof’s belief that Cone is town

-says I reminded him that everyone has a power role and no one is vanilla, claims a day power, asks for prof’s and Cone’s times that their roles work

-says prof was the one that mentioned Cone in the first place

-asks for examples of people disagreeing with him, says only prof and Sparks are because they don’t look at the provided evidence

-says prof and Sparks overreacted, says Wright was rolefishing so he should be attacked as well

-says he doesn’t care about prof’s opinion on Cone, says he just wanted to know what time of day the role worked, so he can know if prof’s words on Cone  are worth his attention

-says if no one agreed, that doesn’t mean they disagreed, says his arguments for RCT changed some votes

-says Sparks makes no sense, his vote should be for Wright because Wright led to a roleslip

-says Sparks is playing dumb, and shouldn’t pretend to coach him

-says he’s using his role, he will protect outlaw from a lynch because he believes outlaw is town, that’s his only ability, he finds all who voted for him suspicious, asks everyone to change their votes and investigate RCT

-tells Sparks not to post if he has nothing to say

-gives me a link to the page about lovers

-calls out those who voted for outlaw: Cone, RCT, Sparks, prof (All town…hmmm)

-states his case for RCT, asks town for any other evidence

-thanks Nickles for his contribution to RCT evidence, ask for a post link

-thanks for the post link, notes RCT’s link to prof and Sparks

-gives town reads to me, Nickles, and outlaw

-says his power is 1-shot, thought about using it during endgame, or without saying he did, decided this would save a townie, thinks Sparks and prof placed their votes for no reason, says best case is made for RCT, says town working together will pay off in the end even if RCT turns up town

-defends himself from Trucks’ criticism of using and revealing his power by saying there wasn’t enough momentum coming off outlaw, asks how knowing the time of day a role works would help a mafia

-says best move day 1 is to lynch based on deduction and there’s no such thing as waiting until day 2 for roles to make a proper move

-says he revealed the use of his power in hopes that everyone would change their votes, thus preventing his power from basically being the equivalent of deferring to day 2, and hoped by causing a reversal, we could use the votes that were made on outlaw at T-8 to analyze the votes. Says he’s had 4 days to consider the best use of his power

-gives a HoS to prof for using the term mayor when the card didn’t mention it (not sure I get this logic)

-thanks me for understanding why he did it, says he sent the PM to WoW after announcing the move in the thread, says he’s vanilla

-is impressed by Nickles detective work against prof, says the term mayor is in mafiascum as an alias of governor, says he can’t use the power past twilight

-says again that lynching outlaw would be like deferring to day 2

-says testing his claim is a stupid plan

-says he could still be a mafia governor so testing the claim does nothing

-commends Nickles for not liking the plan

-explains to Trucks that the test means nothing because he could be a mafia governor if outlaw is saved, if outlaw dies and flips town it’s not worth the risk (well, if this happened, it would just about confirm padib mafia, so not a complete waste), and if outlaw dies and is mafia it doesn’t mean padib is mafia (that much is true), so town loses with the test. Says Trucks is scummy to partner despite being smart enough to know why it’s a bad plan

-says prof is bad at mafia

-says spurge is smart and shouldn’t buy into prof’s accusation

-reiterates to Trucks that the test will waste a day and a power, even if it confirms padib town, because outlaw isn’t confirmed

-says he calls people smart not to butter them up but because he appreciates their intelligence and wants to encourage it, says mocking people to lessen his importance shows how wrong Sparks is, says he has double standards, calls him annoying

-says both sides will get info with a tested claim, so not testing the claim means less info for mafia, reiterates that RCT is a better candidate than outlaw

-says he’s answered Sparks’ question

-accuses prof of wanting to not hit the target

-says if RCT is town, at least we all voted together

-argues in favor of Smeags waiting to vote

-reiterates that RCT is a better choice than outlaw

-says we should all unvote cone but not vote outlaw in response to prof saying to change from cone to outlaw

- says he’d be willing to defend RCT with his ability (confirms he can change his lynch target here, but why would he want to? Outlaw was still threatened)

-calls Sparks paranoid

-confirms he can change his target whenever he wants, if town finds a better lynch target and RCT needs protecting (if town found a better lynch candidate, they’d change from RCT and he wouldn’t need protecting, this doesn’t make sense to me)

-links the post where he claims he can change his target, for noname

-…(Sparks lolling at him)

-confirms his power will expire today but he can pick anyone for it, and it will protect them only if they’re lynched

-clarifies his power again, he saves a target from a lynch if it happens, can change the target

-says the test only confirms padib isn’t lying, not his alignment

-says the test defers to day 2, so Smeags shouldn’t vote for it because he’s against that

-says he checked with WoW about his power

-asks for Smeags reasoning

-is fine with Smeag’s reasoning

-…(two people just voted for outlaw)

-explains to noname that there is no cascade for the lynch, it prevents any lynch from happening

-gives Nickles town read, tells him to play how he wants, reiterates that town should lynch the strongest candidate, says town learns nothing and it could be a mafia governor or a multifaction game

-says switching targets is in his card, says Sparks is irritating

-asks me to vote for Sparks

-says everyone has power roles and multifactions are possible in response to noname doubting mafia governor

-votes Sparks

-gets Nickels to vote Sparks

-reiterates that the test is a bad idea

-reiterates it again and asks noname and Smeags to vote Sparks

-says his ability is only expended if the target is lynched, says he lied

-calls Smeags to look at that last post to get him to vote Sparks with him

-says Sparks is full of bs

-says either believe all or none of his claim, don’t worry about Cone being hit by lynch cascade

-says he said this sooner but Sparks wasn’t paying attention

-wonders how many scum there are, is incredulous that town would test the claim

-says he knows there’s no cascade because he said so

-says prof is being dishonest, quotes mafiascum governor page, underlines no cascade part

-thanks Smeags for voting Sparks, says it’s a great move (lol) asks Nickles again

-explains why he waited to make explicit his ability to reuse his power if the target wasn’t lynched

-says you can’t blame him for lying

-thanks Nickles for changing

-asks outlaw to vote Sparks

-saw prof changing his RCT vote

-criticizes prof for switching his vote

-unvotes Sparks to let town test his claim

-votes outlaw

-revotes Sparks, wants him gone

-says Sparks is a bad, scummy player

-revotes outlaw

-asks Smeags to vote together with him (grr, if he’d been determined to save his power he wouldn’t have done this, I still think he’s stupid for this)

-says a tie is horrible (well at least it would save your power!)

-SMEAGS!!

-says he lied for a good reason

-says there’s no cascade, you twat

-says this has been fun

-doesn’t know how prof and Sparks survived day 1

-lol.gif

-admits prof outsmarted him

-says day 2 will be harder

-says goodbye to outlaw

END OF DAY ONE

:O

I..........er........um.

OK I can't investigate. . I'll stick with my ability for that use and reading non-long-longer-longest posts.

So I'd like to take a look at a few things there.

1. Padib thinks outlaw is scummy, then for no real reason starts defending him with everything he has.

2. Everyone that voted for outlaw the first day is confirmed town. Not saying it means anything, but...huh...just really interesting, a little suspicious.

3. Flip-flops on prof a lot.

4. Coaches outlaw a good bit

5. Changed his opinion about day talk, at times it must be because he always had it, at other times no mafia day talk is confirmed by WoW

6. Was super determined to save his power at first, and wanted to save outlaw, but then says he'll change it to RCT. The logic just doesn't make sense here. I need to look closer at this.

7. What the hell was that flip-flopping with Sparks at the end? After all this, he gives up and goes with the test, after saying it's a bad move and a scummy thing to do? Escaping the test was withing his reach. Prof didn't outsmart him, not exactly. He just gave up! This still bothers me even now. It makes no sense to me. I get that everyone says he's better off without the power, but HE doesn't think he's better off without the power, so why wouldn't he save the power if he could?

Probably some more, I'll look over it again later, after dinner.

1. Your "analysis" is obviously desperate and grasping at straws.

2.Your paraphrasing and understanding of my posts is a joke. For example I never "heavily defended" outlaw. All I've ever asked for was for you to make a strong and logical case against him which you have still yet to do which makes me think you have ulterior motives for wanting him lynched.  If you look at my actual posts it shows your BS theory doesn't hold water, that's probably why you didn't reference any actual posts instead you use shotty paraphrasing that either twists words or just plain made shit up. So again read my actual posts and you can see this is nothing but bullshit.

3.@bold if that were true then that defeats this entire theory now doesn't it? But hey what is logic when you are blinded by pride and trying to find someone to blame instead of accepting responsibility for your own mistakes. RCT acted the most scummy day one, don't deny it, you know he did that's why you voted for him day 2, that is until an investigation lead by you and sparks which previously caused a warning from WoW actually lead to a player suicide. RCT acted so scummy in fact that Sparks voted for him day 3 as well and went to his grave thinking RCT was mafia long after he got a town read from him. 

You want to talk about priming? The only ones I've seen this game that are guilty of "priming" is *YOU* and *SpARKS* after all it was you  that said all game that Cone was "scum" It was you two that came up with the ninja theory, then White conveniently says cone "landed on his roof" which gave credence to the theory and convinced you both even more which lead you two/mostly sparks at that point to convince us all including smeags. It was you who ultimately pointed out how scummy Sparks was acting. Yeah Padid pointed out he was acting scummy day 1 but ultimately it was your final questions and his reactions to your questions that made him look scummy. All I did was follow the evidence and I was right about sparks being a thief, and he was acting scummy. Had he come clean sooner we could have not wasted so much time on RCT and used his power to find actual mafia. I didn't vote for him and wanted to wait for a vote, I had questions for him that I needed answers for. Instead of pushing him that night I had to go to bed and go to work. When I got back I find that you voted for him again after taking it off the first time. I also come back to see white had not only hammered him but also was so excited about it he wrote on WoW's wall and PM'd him. Instead of following the evidence you choose to ignore it and fabricate it because you can't accept your own mistakes and if I'm right then that means you were manipulated by a 14 year old kid. So instead we come full circle to day 1 with you using circular logic, fabricating evidence, and trying to scapegoat me.

I also notice you shut up about the bet. I wonder why that is? You still haven't accepted the bet. Why would a mafia accept a bet for a lifetime ban? It doesn't fit and you know it So again bet me, your choice, a ban or month of sig control, it's all the same to me. Then again you won't because deep down you know I'll win. So you want to vote for outlaw? Fine lets once again vote for outlaw.

Vote: Outlaw 

@Nickles you continuously say this " I also come back to see white had not only hammered him but also was so excited about it he wrote on WoW's wall and PM'd him".

That is incorrect and I've corrected you practically every time.... It was a miscount and was not sure if WoW was able to take it back. He wasn't as it had already been done and Sparks was dead. I returned to my original vote (RCT) after I read what Sparks said but it was too late anyway....

And yet again that "hammering" was basically my only proper investigation....

When will you learn?!

Stop fabricating things Nickles.

I Vote Nicklesbe.