In scenario 1, a vigilante could have been the other attacker. In fact, without a bus driver or thief scenario, that's the thing that makes the most sense, as a vigilante is the only one that would have a reason to attack, so it doesn't mean there are two factions. We can only conclude that there are two killing parties, a mafia faction, and either a second faction, a serial killer, a vigilante, or maybe even a paranoid gun owner that RCT attacked in the night. It's really hard to say what the second faction is. It doesn't tell us much about RCT or prof's alignment.

In scenario 2, the bus driver would almost certainly be town, since a mafia bus driver wouldn't try to stop a kill, except perhaps to protect their own from a vigilante. Also, wouldn't a person know if they'd been bussed? You'd think RCT, as honest and cooperative as he's been, would have mentioned that crucial detail.

In scenario 3, the problem is that RCT did say he was attacked, at least at first, though I think he was confused and the message doesn't actually specify, nor would it. I don't think it matters that our abilities have come from items thus far, in fact, I think it matters more that some abilities don't come from items, which it didn't in the case of spurge. The fact that there are a mix of item based and non-item based abilities suggests there must be a reason for having the specification of an item. Why bother specifying that an ability is an item if being an item has no effect on gameplay? The point of having the item specification is probably that there is a thief. That said, you admit that poisoner is still possible, and any killing party could simply decide not to kill to create confusion, so there could still be a second killing party. And it has no indication I can see of prof's or RCT's alignment.

If RCT is lying, it doesn't mean there's only one scum faction, as there could be a poisoner, which you admit just below this. Which in turn means prof isn't definitely town. In fact you mention poisoner right after saying prof is town. What the heck, man? Also, we may have had an attack that no one reported. Think about it, if RCT is lying, and doesn't have a bulletproof vest, maybe someone else does, like you were saying at the beginning of this day. That person might not want to announce that they lost their vest, because they want to keep the mafia guessing about why the kill didn't go through.

If RCT is just lying about his vest being lost, then everything I said above applies here too. Also, in this case, we don't know that he wasn't attacked, as even if he's lying about his vest being gone, it could be that he was attacked but the vest has more than one use. Regardless of what RCT is lying about, however, it's definitely a scummy move to lie in this case.

I realize some of my considerations aren't all that likely, but you did say likelihood wasn't important here.

You mean the Fire Emblem style death quote? Yeah, that was a nice touch. Or do you mean you gave your last thoughts and info? If so, I must have missed it.

About Trucks, honestly there's just no one else left to choose from right now. I keep thinking if there's 4-5 mafia, he's definitely one of them. Everyone else is so much townier.

Thanks for your thoughts. It really is helpful.

Just about the underlined, it's unlikely.

Outlaw is town because he's a coward who didnt vote himself.
and for mocking you just now. Mockery is generally a town behavior.

Im surprised you didnt know why we think outlaw is town? Seems like you're just playing along without knowing why we think things.

Oh and about gut feelings and whatever. Sure its not much better to be on khan....but the only thing we have more on is your lynch. But you swear its not the case.

Once again, what is the reason your gut feeling was set off? I have my own reasons, and I agree, but I have posts to back up my feelings (which I haven't shared yet) what are yours?

Sorry, Sparks, didn't read your second post clarifying that you realize one kill doesn't mean one mafia faction.

Also, I keep seeing poisoner mentioned. I hadn't heard of it until prof mentioned it as a possibility for why we might be seeing only one kill, in a post made before RCT's claim. A poisoner, according to my research on the wiki, takes the place of a traditional kill for mafia, so in a one mafia faction scenario, it wouldn't happen in addition to a regular kill unless the poisoner wasn't mafia.

I played a serial killer poisoned in one game. Or maybe it was someone else.
I know do sure though that I once played a multi faction mafia game where my mafiavteam had poison kills only.

My bad you did answer about your gut feeling on trucks...but its really not that solid. Forgive me for missing it, just didnt notice you say anything of any substance. I asked about trucks and you sounded a bit wishy washy and talked about khan and rct instead. At least thats how it looked to me

That's why I asked. I felt I was missing something. I read your coward bit before, but I didn't think it was that solid, and countered with the lack of final pre-death claim or info post, which admittedly isn't that solid either. Although I do think he trusted that padib would save him, like padib said he would.

About that, I'm obviously not going to agree with you, and I don't want to go back in circles. Just let me live for one more day is all I ask.

I'd need to turn on my laptop. brb.

That's because they're kind of in the same boat for me. They are mostly what's left when I remove the towniest people and towny mabyes.

Isn't trucks going to be gone for the next couple of days? So I don't really like the idea of going after him if he's not here to defend himself. Tho I do find him suspicious, I also haven't kept as close an eye on him as I probably should have. Can you show me some posts of his you find most suspicious? I'm not apposed to the idea of voting for him. What I found most suspicious about him was that he pushed so hard to test Padib's claim. He seemed most vocal in getting him to waste his one shot. Either of ya have anything else? I think we should at least try to get a case that's stronger than just a feeling, and him landing more towards mafia than town on most people's lists. We have a pretty good case on RCT so far so again we can always revisit him. This may be a chance to redeem sparks if he is innocent.

So if we lynch trucks we will get valuable info in the form of a card flip. If trucks is mafia which is likely may be then Sparks will shoot right into my town list. Then we can move onto possible RCT or Khan or maybe someone else will have a big slip. If trucks is innocent then we will have a much stronger lynch candidate in sparks. So if you can highlight a few posts that make sense, I would be inclined to change my vote to him.