I can't speak when everyone else is throwing accusations at each other.

But, is there any subject you'd want me to speak about?

So with RCT you're discounting the possibility of being town with a vest broken by a bus driver switch? I hadn't considered serial killer for him, and I'm missing the logic there. Do we have any reason to believe that? The only thing I could think is that it would explain the apparent presence of two attempted kills. Mafia tried to kill him, or tried to kill someone but a bus driver switched them, breaking the beaststone, and RCT, as the serial killer, tried to kill you.

With a mafia doctor, what are the consequences of leaving him alive? It's an incredibly important role for town, but with mafia it seems less important since it can't protect them from a lynch. So it might not matter to leave him alive. On the other hand, the way I see it, he has to be mafia. Why would a townie lie about being the doctor? To draw attention away from the real doctor, I suppose, but it still rubs me the wrong way. We know the exact bodyguard description, and I didn't see anything that prevents him from saving a doctor. Cone pretty much gave us his description, and it didn't seem to say it couldn't target the bodyguard. Honestly, that whole exchange with him screamed of a noobish slip on his part. I believe he said he's new, and he really did seem to not know what the doctor was. I only know myself because it was one of the two power roles in the IRL game I played.

So as far as I'm concerned, Cone is definitely the doctor. And as far as I'm concerned, it seems incredibly likely that BG and Doc could target each other here, based on the known BG description and an almost-known Doc description. It seemed like Cone's description triggered WoW's warning, so I'm thinking it's pretty accurate, though perhaps not complete. So the question remains, as I see it, as to whether or not WoW thinks that having a BG and Doc on the same team that can target each other is a game breaker or not, or if he just missed that. I get the impression that WoW has experience as a moderator, so I don't think he'd miss that, and it seems like the most broken thing ever. If Doc and BG ever figured each other out, it would guarantee either a town win or at the worst a tie. So I think Cone is mafia. I feel like if by the end of the day, he's still our best lead, we should vote for him, but if not he can wait a night because his power isn't that terribly useful to the mafia and like you said, the mafia will kill him if he's the town doc. Only question is, now that we're on to him, will he use his power on himself as protection against vigilantes? We may have to lynch him eventually.

As for you being vanilla, I don't believe you, sorry. The sign-up said no vanilla townies, and it seemed very explicit about that. If you're vanilla, you're mafia. And with a game with this many town powers, I'm thinking mafia aren't vanilla either. In the words of the sign-up thread "In this game, everyone will be assigned a video game character. Their role will be derived from that character, though it shouldn't be obvious which faction each belongs to. Every player will therefore have a special role; no one will be a vanilla Townie." Sounds like a promise to me. If I were vanilla, I'd be demanding WoW to either give me a power role like the sign-up thread promised, change the wording of the sign-up thread, or leave a mod post apologizing for the error, because it's very misleading and affects play. Regardless, I don't think you're vanilla, but I acknowledge you may have innocent reasons for claiming to be, so whatever.

As for padib, I still think he made the right decision in using and outing his power, as you agree that outlaw is town, and if padib hadn't used the power, outlaw would've died, and if he hadn't at least tried to get people to vote differently he'd be wasting the full potential of his power. That said, I'm not sure how good he is at this game, so if you think he's incompetent, then I excuse you for killing his power. It certainly confirmed him town, and it lead to a pretty strong case for another town. And if you're somehow telling the truth about being vanilla, then I suppose having a relatively weak power turned vanilla on top of that just means this game became a little less complicated.

I won't be around much tomorrow and until Sunday evening so I'll give some feelings on some players:

Conegamer: I'm inclined to believe his claim, my guess is that his card read HisName - Cleric and that's why he didn't know what a doctor was specifically.

Mr. Khan: Had a really bad feeling about him after Day One but if got slightly better during Day Two with him providing some useful information. Definitely not enough to remove all suspicion though.

Nickelsbe: Had my suspicions on him earlier toDay but has the Day progressed I'm getting a newbie town vibe from him. His posts give me the feeling that he's really in the dark and trying to figure things out.

RCT: His actions yesterDay and the way he responded to questioning toDay lead me to believe his story.

Smeags: His little stunt with RCT put him firmly in the townie column for me.

Wright: Don't like him one bit, he's provided practically nothing, has been absent and evasive when he's around

sparks: His attitude on the start of Day Two bugged me a little, asking Nickels not to answer my question (http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6580227),  the classic let's cry for the dead townie that scum often do (http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6580036), him mentioning *exactly* what happened to RCT and then covering by saying he was talking about another person with a bulletproof vest (as if that made sense for there to be two bulletproof townies) (http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6581344)

What exactly do you expect me to provide?

@Trucks
Yes but wright's been clearly absent and evasive.
I would think a mafia might try to be a little less obvious.

Plus, he could be right about Cone.

prof makes a good point about cone, and one i hadn't considered. His claim becomes badly weakened when we know there was a bodyguard, and presumably that bodyguard was working town (unless my earliest suspicions about prof being mafia were true, but even then, spurge could have been acting on his own).

For the most part I echo these feels, but I'd totally forgotten about that Sparks post about "another person with a bullet proof vest". The first post seemed weird but excusable, but might mean scum don't have day talk. The second I don't have enough experience to agree with you but makes sense, but the third post just made no fucking sense when I read it. From the perspective that the vest might have been stolen, it makes some sense though. Perhaps he has the vest now? Is this what you meant before, prof?

I agree with what you said about Cone, but what do you think about there being both a doctor and a bodyguard on the same side? It seems broken, which would suggest he's mafia, but maybe WoW was just betting on the BG-Doc combo not coming up?

I agree wholeheartedly about Wright, but if Cone does turn out to be a scum-aligned doctor, would that change your mind? I mean, since he went after Cone and all day 1?

Some thoughts about the potential ability stealer:

Supposing this role exists, it seems to work by stealing items. Flavor wise, this would imply he's a thief. This sounds like it could potentially only work on powers that work with items, but might be usable as many times as the thief desires. If you have a power that works via an item, do NOT reveal that you have an item, or you may be targeted by the thief. If your power is based on your weapon, don't reveal that either, just in case. For example, the doctor/cleric might need his staff to save people, and a thief could steal a staff.

I have another theory, but I'm waiting for cone to try and lie to me about where he was last night.

Sorry padib. Last thing I want is for town to create a distraction for either of us, or town.

I'm just venting.