| theprof00 said: WB Hylian, and good post. I myself have a few possibilities on RCT. 1. He's mafia and lying about his role completely. 2. He's mafia and does indeed have a BP vest, but actually still has it. 3. He's town and lost his vest 4. He's town and is lying about having lost his vest 5. He's serial killer 6. He's mafia, did have a vest, and it was taken by someone. Regarding Cone, yes there is a very real possibility that he's either a mafia doc or is just lying completely. However, this will be solved shortly because mafia can't leave a doc alive. Regarding spurge, wright, and khan being on cone... Unfortunately, wright was on the right path with cone. Cone WAS feeling pressure, but it's because he's the doctor. In probably 75%+ of my games, my scumlists will include the doctor or cop just by chance, because docs and cops will sometimes react similarly to scum. Lastly, about padib. Honestly I didn't believe him at all. He was twisting everything I said, calling me a ringleader despite having his own little following, and his logic was so incredibly flawed. It really looked like he was doing everything in his power to take all influence away from me. Since I know I am a logical player, and bring up good points, the only reason I could see for this was to undermine the town and keep it in a state of confusion. He claimed everyone was a power role. I am vanilla. He claimed there were multi-factions. We still have no proof. All his contributions, in my opinion, were throwing town into chaos. While I expected him to be lying about his role, I think in the end it was a net gain...and now that you mention it, I am actually glad it's spent, because that kind of power, in padib's hands, could end badly. However, imo, it proved to me that both outlaw and padib were town. So I think that considering the source, we got the most out of that ability as possible. |
So with RCT you're discounting the possibility of being town with a vest broken by a bus driver switch? I hadn't considered serial killer for him, and I'm missing the logic there. Do we have any reason to believe that? The only thing I could think is that it would explain the apparent presence of two attempted kills. Mafia tried to kill him, or tried to kill someone but a bus driver switched them, breaking the beaststone, and RCT, as the serial killer, tried to kill you.
With a mafia doctor, what are the consequences of leaving him alive? It's an incredibly important role for town, but with mafia it seems less important since it can't protect them from a lynch. So it might not matter to leave him alive. On the other hand, the way I see it, he has to be mafia. Why would a townie lie about being the doctor? To draw attention away from the real doctor, I suppose, but it still rubs me the wrong way. We know the exact bodyguard description, and I didn't see anything that prevents him from saving a doctor. Cone pretty much gave us his description, and it didn't seem to say it couldn't target the bodyguard. Honestly, that whole exchange with him screamed of a noobish slip on his part. I believe he said he's new, and he really did seem to not know what the doctor was. I only know myself because it was one of the two power roles in the IRL game I played.
So as far as I'm concerned, Cone is definitely the doctor. And as far as I'm concerned, it seems incredibly likely that BG and Doc could target each other here, based on the known BG description and an almost-known Doc description. It seemed like Cone's description triggered WoW's warning, so I'm thinking it's pretty accurate, though perhaps not complete. So the question remains, as I see it, as to whether or not WoW thinks that having a BG and Doc on the same team that can target each other is a game breaker or not, or if he just missed that. I get the impression that WoW has experience as a moderator, so I don't think he'd miss that, and it seems like the most broken thing ever. If Doc and BG ever figured each other out, it would guarantee either a town win or at the worst a tie. So I think Cone is mafia. I feel like if by the end of the day, he's still our best lead, we should vote for him, but if not he can wait a night because his power isn't that terribly useful to the mafia and like you said, the mafia will kill him if he's the town doc. Only question is, now that we're on to him, will he use his power on himself as protection against vigilantes? We may have to lynch him eventually.
As for you being vanilla, I don't believe you, sorry. The sign-up said no vanilla townies, and it seemed very explicit about that. If you're vanilla, you're mafia. And with a game with this many town powers, I'm thinking mafia aren't vanilla either. In the words of the sign-up thread "In this game, everyone will be assigned a video game character. Their role will be derived from that character, though it shouldn't be obvious which faction each belongs to. Every player will therefore have a special role; no one will be a vanilla Townie." Sounds like a promise to me. If I were vanilla, I'd be demanding WoW to either give me a power role like the sign-up thread promised, change the wording of the sign-up thread, or leave a mod post apologizing for the error, because it's very misleading and affects play. Regardless, I don't think you're vanilla, but I acknowledge you may have innocent reasons for claiming to be, so whatever.
As for padib, I still think he made the right decision in using and outing his power, as you agree that outlaw is town, and if padib hadn't used the power, outlaw would've died, and if he hadn't at least tried to get people to vote differently he'd be wasting the full potential of his power. That said, I'm not sure how good he is at this game, so if you think he's incompetent, then I excuse you for killing his power. It certainly confirmed him town, and it lead to a pretty strong case for another town. And if you're somehow telling the truth about being vanilla, then I suppose having a relatively weak power turned vanilla on top of that just means this game became a little less complicated.
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