WB Hylian, and good post.

I myself have a few possibilities on RCT.
1. He's mafia and lying about his role completely.
2. He's mafia and does indeed have a BP vest, but actually still has it.
3. He's town and lost his vest
4. He's town and is lying about having lost his vest
5. He's serial killer
6. He's mafia, did have a vest, and it was taken by someone.

Regarding Cone, yes there is a very real possibility that he's either a mafia doc or is just lying completely. However, this will be solved shortly because mafia can't leave a doc alive.

Regarding spurge, wright, and khan being on cone...
Unfortunately, wright was on the right path with cone. Cone WAS feeling pressure, but it's because he's the doctor. In probably 75%+ of my games, my scumlists will include the doctor or cop just by chance, because docs and cops will sometimes react similarly to scum.

Lastly, about padib. Honestly I didn't believe him at all. He was twisting everything I said, calling me a ringleader despite having his own little following, and his logic was so incredibly flawed. It really looked like he was doing everything in his power to take all influence away from me. Since I know I am a logical player, and bring up good points, the only reason I could see for this was to undermine the town and keep it in a state of confusion. He claimed everyone was a power role. I am vanilla. He claimed there were multi-factions. We still have no proof. All his contributions, in my opinion, were throwing town into chaos.
While I expected him to be lying about his role, I think in the end it was a net gain...and now that you mention it, I am actually glad it's spent, because that kind of power, in padib's hands, could end badly. However, imo, it proved to me that both outlaw and padib were town. So I think that considering the source, we got the most out of that ability as possible.

Honestly, this whole situation just makes my head spin.

Oh and by making my head spin I mean, "once I throw doc, BG, and BP" in there too.

Mayor is a somewhat null balance role. It depends on proper knowledge of who is town to be effective.
BG is somewhat neutral as well, since the BG still dies. It again relies on knowing who is important.
BP is a town imbalance. If the player is never lynched, then it's basically a guaranteed doctor one time, but can be countered with strongman
Doctor is town imbalance, but can be countered with a roleblocker.

If both BG and Doc are town, it would require mafia to have a strongman kill not linked to a specific player and possibly a roleblocker on top of it.
If BP is town, it would require mafia to have even more power.

Unless of course, WoW did a bad job balancing the game, which is something I can't answer. (though I'm inclined to believe he did a great job)

Ah interesting. This is on the bodyguard role page on mafiascum:


"...As a protective role, Bodyguard is essentially a weakened Doctor. Not only can it only successfully protect once, but it also does not technically stop the kill from going through. The only benefit from a successful protection is essentially a redirection of the kill from someone who is presumably more valuable to keep alive. In games where protection is desirable but a full Doctor could lead to overpowered role combinations, Bodyguard is a decent consideration.

As always, including multiple protective roles in the game can lead to broken role combinations. Doctor+Bodyguard can lead to circular protections, as can Bodyguard+Bodyguard . If you are going to include these combinations in your game, make sure you specify how they work - presumably in a way that does not allow them to cross-protect successfully.

Wright is still on my radar simply because of his inactivity for day 2. Day 1 I understand because that's how I usually try to go about it, but not many contributing post makes me want to just push a little. I don't think he's mafia at this point, but I want to hear more from him, and I have no objections to the people voting for him to get him to talk (or anyone else that hasn't contributed as much). Basically, he's done a lot of suspicious activity as I did with day 1 but is continuting to go about it while I've tried to change my strategy to prove my townsmanship. Hopefully the pushing will get him to talk a little more.

No reading on WhiteEagle yet, so I can't comment at this point.

@theprof00: I've just seen a lot of push for questioning and putting people on the spot to advance the game seemingly quickly. I can't really tell if it's your playing style or if you're trying to keep the spotlight off of you. I'm most likely not going to vote for you today, but I would like the town to be at least aware of what you are doing, which is why I brought it up. I'm not at the 50% threshold to thinking you could be mafia, but you are on my radar. I'm sorry.

Conegamer said: Well unless my memory is that good Couldn't find the PM for it so just tried to remember roughly what it said. But you get the jist of it either way. Also I don't wanna reveal anymore information on who I visited until you can give a valid reason why I should and why you suspect I'm not the guy I claim to be.

You said you wouldn't reveal who you visited unless I could give you a valid reason why you should and why you suspect you're not the guy you claim to be.

I gave you the reason why I think you're 'not who you say you are'
The reason you should is because there's still a possibility of multiple factions. RCT being attacked by mafia doesn't make sense after claiming to be bulletproof. So, if either
A) RCT is lying about being attacked
B) RCT's vest was simply stolen

You may have prevented a kill. We should know who that was.

No worries. I'm just making sure you actually have a valid reason to question my alignment. I mean, you don't really...you're justing kind of unsuccessfully undermining me. But hey, maybe you're just paranoid.

I play like this because it generates discussion. While if may seem to "advance the game quickly", this is really just moving at an average speed. We're 20% of the way through the game already, or so. Yet we still have no solid leads and still a lot of questions. The rest of the game comes rather quickly, and I promise you that once I'm gone, discussion is going to cut in half. And then suddenly everyone is going to be sweating, then people are going to start turning on lurkers because they feel the time crunch, and it's just going to go downhill until someone finds an actual lead.

The spotlight isn't off me. It's completely on me. Surely, if someone is looking for a problem in my words there's nobody with more opportunity for saying the wrong thing than I, since I've made more posts than half the people here.

Theres also the problem of who would supercedes the other.
If a doc and a bodyguard protect the same person, does the bodyguard still die? The role for bg says that if a player would die the bodyguard steps in to prevent it. But if a doc were present, then the target wouldn't die so there would be no need.
or would the bg take the attack first? And then what if the doc protected the bg?

I've been given some thought about the possibility that RCT had his stone stolen. At first, I'll admit I wasn't very inclined to believe it but checking back on my card I realized that my ability comes from an item, that padib's ability came from his bow and RCT claims his bullet proof came from the beaststone and suddenly the possibilty that there's a power thief out there seems very real.

It also would explain the apparent excess of power on the town's side (if we are to believe both RCT and Cone)

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