The only reason the Patriots won was because they werent playing the Giants.
Who will win the Super Bowl? | |||
Who cares? | 41 | 36.61% | |
That AFC team. | 29 | 25.89% | |
That NFC team. | 5 | 4.46% | |
Hahaha, not the Packers! | 25 | 22.32% | |
See Results. | 9 | 8.04% | |
Total: | 109 |
The only reason the Patriots won was because they werent playing the Giants.
MTZehvor said:
I guess it's less of "I can't deny it" and more of "I really couldn't care less." I could discuss how there's no evidence linking Spygate to any of the Super Bowls (particularly so after the taping practice rumors were proven false), or how Deflategate, as it were, has become a laughingstock of a controversy after it turned out that only one football was noticeably below the mandatory PSI requirement, and there's still no evidence linking any player to any actual deflating, but these are all arguments that have been had before and laid out in much clearer ways. So, yeah, at this point, I really don't care. Cry about cheating all you want. I'll be enjoying the Super Bowl championship. |
they were taping until the 2007 season so it's linked to the first 3. 11 of 12 balls were underinflated. Belichecks explanation has been discredited by scientists (and yes more than just Bill Nye). How about the QB who plays for a living can't tell the difference yet Drew Brees could tell the exact weight of each football he handled on Conan without being told beforehand? They could win 10 superbowls it doesn't mean anything. No objective person can ever put them in the same breath as Montana or Bradshaw or Noll now because they couldn't win clean. Sorry but it's a forever tainted legacy.
platformmaster918 said: they were taping until the 2007 season so it's linked to the first 3. 11 of 12 balls were underinflated. Belichecks explanation has been discredited by scientists (and yes more than just Bill Nye). How about the QB who plays for a living can't tell the difference yet Drew Brees could tell the exact weight of each football he handled on Conan without being told beforehand? They could win 10 superbowls it doesn't mean anything. No objective person can ever put them in the same breath as Montana or Bradshaw or Noll now because they couldn't win clean. Sorry but it's a forever tainted legacy. |
Only to you, and thankfully, your opinion (and it's just opinion) means 0, as in the amount of SB victories the Seahawks have, since HGH testing was introduced.
seems fitting
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platformmaster918 said:
they were taping until the 2007 season so it's linked to the first 3. 11 of 12 balls were underinflated. Belichecks explanation has been discredited by scientists (and yes more than just Bill Nye). How about the QB who plays for a living can't tell the difference yet Drew Brees could tell the exact weight of each football he handled on Conan without being told beforehand? They could win 10 superbowls it doesn't mean anything. No objective person can ever put them in the same breath as Montana or Bradshaw or Noll now because they couldn't win clean. Sorry but it's a forever tainted legacy. |
"Until 2007?" Let's keep in mind here that the act of video taping from the location that they were video taping from didn't even become illegal until 2006 anyway; meaning that at best, you could convict the Patriots of cheating during the 2006 season and 1 quarter of the first game of the 2007 season. The only reason this is considered such a big deal is because the Boston Herald published an article claiming that the Patriots had taped the Rams' defensive walkthroughs before the 2001 Super Bowl, which turned out to be false and was retracted by the Herald later on. So as far as Spygate goes, you have evidence of video taping from a certain location which wasn't even illegal until after the Patriots won the last of their 3 Super Bowls. Congratulations; at best, you've shown that the Patriots' 2006 AFC Championship run might be suspicious and literally nothing else.
As for the footballs being deflated, two things. First off, 10 out of the 11 deflated footballs weren't even significantly below the 12.5 lower limit; meaning that while Belichick's explanation may not hold true if the balls were 2 PSI below the legal limit, it may very well hold true for the lower amount that they were (whatever that was, we still have no details). Beyond all that, though, the referees didn't even log the football PSI before the game; meaning that there's no official record that the footballs were even in the legal range to begin with.
Basically, anyone attempting to pin anything on New England for Deflategate has nothing but speculation to go on at best at this point. If you're going to whine about cheating; at least wait until the official findings are published.
MTZehvor said: "Until 2007?" Let's keep in mind here that the act of video taping from the location that they were video taping from didn't even become illegal until 2006 anyway; meaning that at best, you could convict the Patriots of cheating during the 2006 season and 1 quarter of the first game of the 2007 season. The only reason this is considered such a big deal is because the Boston Herald published an article claiming that the Patriots had taped the Rams' defensive walkthroughs before the 2001 Super Bowl, which turned out to be false and was retracted by the Herald later on. So as far as Spygate goes, you have evidence of video taping from a certain location which wasn't even illegal until after the Patriots won the last of their 3 Super Bowls. Congratulations; at best, you've shown that the Patriots' 2006 AFC Championship run might be suspicious and literally nothing else. As for the footballs being deflated, two things. First off, 10 out of the 11 deflated footballs weren't even significantly below the 12.5 lower limit; meaning that while Belichick's explanation may not hold true if the balls were 2 PSI below the legal limit, it may very well hold true for the lower amount that they were (whatever that was, we still have no details). Beyond all that, though, the referees didn't even log the football PSI before the game; meaning that there's no official record that the footballs were even in the legal range to begin with. Basically, anyone attempting to pin anything on New England for Deflategate has nothing but speculation to go on at best at this point. If you're going to whine about cheating; at least wait until the official findings are published. |
except it was illegal because the NFL fined them and took away a draft pick. What did they punish them for nothing lol. Hell even Bob Ryan a Boston sports writer who is naturally more biased towards the Patriots acknowledges Spygate and of course the original legacy tainter the tuck rule play which didn't even apply since Brady had his hand back on the ball before the fumble occured. Forever tainted in any objective person's mind. They're the White Sox of our generation.
platformmaster918 said:
haha typical. Can't even deny it just the old "cry more" or "you mad bro?" response. I'll give the Spurs all the credit in the world they're a great team. See that shows I don't mind giving the true great credit even when they're not my team. I'm also not a Seahawks fan or a fan of any of the teams they've beaten in the Super Bowl so I'm not biased against them. You just can't ignore this when it's been clearly proven in one case and 99% certain in the other. See if you have an actual reply this time. |
I'm under the impression that you have evidence pertaining to New England being the culprit in the cheating scandal against the Colts. As far as I was aware the investigation by the NFL has turned up nothing against anyone who is part of the New England organization.
And then you have this quote from one of the Colts players themselves:
Jackson also told NFL Media that he harbors no ill will towards the Patriots, even if they were using deflated footballs. To his credit, Jackson said that the Patriots simply outplayed the Colts in every aspect of the game, which is true. Lost in all the controversy over the Patriots' cheating is that deflated footballs likely would not have had any impact on the final score, with the Patriots triumphing 45-7.
There is not an excuse you can use against New England in the Super Bowl game and yet here New England is, the Super Bowl CHAMPS BABY!!!
platformmaster918 said:
except it was illegal because the NFL fined them and took away a draft pick. What did they punish them for nothing lol. Hell even Bob Ryan a Boston sports writer who is naturally more biased towards the Patriots acknowledges Spygate and of course the original legacy tainter the tuck rule play which didn't even apply since Brady had his hand back on the ball before the fumble occured. Forever tainted in any objective person's mind. They're the White Sox of our generation. |
My god, this is almost too perfect:
Pats won fair and square in perhaps the greatest of all Super Bowls. Let the haters whine all they want.
— Bob Ryan (@GlobeBobRyan) February 2, 2015
mornelithe said:
Only to you, and thankfully, your opinion (and it's just opinion) means 0, as in the amount of SB victories the Seahawks have, since HGH testing was introduced. |
Please. Their legacy is tainted by quite a bit more than just him and a few posters on the internet. Of course the most damning evidence that he forgot to mention was Brady's own words when if he cheats. "I don't believe so." Which already tells you right there he's playing some mental gymnatics to make what he and his team do seem okay in his mind. But, I guess all that matters is that, in the end, the Patriots* did win the SB.
Of course, like any diehard fandom of any company/team, those who support them will find any way to make what they do seem right, even if they know it was wrong. We see the same thing on this site. The most largest example of late is when all of those XBox fans who were 100% with the anti-consumer BS MS was going to pull.
thismeintiel said:
Please. Their legacy is tainted by quite a bit more than just him and a few posters on the internet. Of course the most damning evidence that he forgot to mention was Brady's own words when if he cheats. "I don't believe so." Which already tells you right there he's playing some mental gymnatics to make what he and his team do seem okay in his mind. But, I guess all that matters is that, in the end, the Patriots* did win the SB. Of course, like any diehard fandom of any company/team, those who support them will find any way to make what they do seem right, even if they know it was wrong. WE see the same thing on this site. The most largest example of late is when all of those XBox fans who were 100% with the anti-consumer BS MS was going to pull. |
Yeah, don't bother writing long things, I'm not reading it. Your opinion is irrelevant. As Ryan said, whine away. As Cartman said, 'Tears of unfathomable sadness, they're so delicious.'